Is mancini a great manager?

[bodak]

The fact some people have suddenly forgotten what Mancini has given us is quite remarkable.

 

[hilts]

Maybe the literacy is an issue. You seem to be trying tirelessly to bring my comeuppance yet fail.

I have said we have gone backwards, mainly due to Mancini's pissing around in preseason with formations, with results papering over the cracks of inept displays.

Thus giving my reason why he isn't a great manager. (Which this thread is about). You come up with nonsense about me wanting him fired. You then ask me who I think is a great manager. I reply ferguson.

You make the comparison between Mancini and Ferguson (Laughable by the way). I use United's this and last season comparison as an example of him showing improvement. Of which he has done throughout his tenure.

Once again you go to the well comparing Mancini and Ferguson wittering on about timescales I am apparently using.

Seriously I have no idea what point you are trying to portray.

the premise is quite simple you have admitted that ferguson had an off season but this year(november) you can see an improvement thats okay but mancini doesnt get the luxury of a average season, in fact he doesnt even get to xmas

why is it that the piss pot gets time to rectify any shortcomings but our boss doesnt

Why are you insinuating I want him fired before xmas? Why are you insinuating I want him fired at all?

The premise of this thread is lost on you. You seem dogged in your comparison of Mancini and Ferguson. My point is one is a great manager, one isn't. Simple as that.

no your wrong the answer is

ferguson is a great manager

your argument that mancini isnt is that we havent played that well at the beginning of the season which is bollocks

is mancini a great manager its too early to say you cant say he isnt because when you try to back it up with facts they fall down

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

the premise is quite simple you have admitted that ferguson had an off season but this year(november) you can see an improvement thats okay but mancini doesnt get the luxury of a average season, in fact he doesnt even get to xmas

why is it that the piss pot gets time to rectify any shortcomings but our boss doesnt

Why are you insinuating I want him fired before xmas? Why are you insinuating I want him fired at all?

The premise of this thread is lost on you. You seem dogged in your comparison of Mancini and Ferguson. My point is one is a great manager, one isn't. Simple as that.

no your wrong the answer is

ferguson is a great manager

your argument that mancini isnt is that we havent played that well at the beginning of the season which is bollocks

is mancini a great manager its too early to say you cant say he isnt because when you try to back it up with facts they fall down

So going full circle my initial points based on his tenure since he has been here isn't fact and is actually some sort of concocted reasoning of just this season.

At least we both agree that to answer the thread as you have posted......
No, Mancini isn't a great manager.

 

[hilts]

Why are you insinuating I want him fired before xmas? Why are you insinuating I want him fired at all?

The premise of this thread is lost on you. You seem dogged in your comparison of Mancini and Ferguson. My point is one is a great manager, one isn't. Simple as that.

no your wrong the answer is

ferguson is a great manager

your argument that mancini isnt is that we havent played that well at the beginning of the season which is bollocks

is mancini a great manager its too early to say you cant say he isnt because when you try to back it up with facts they fall down

So going full circle my initial points based on his tenure since he has been here isn't fact and is actually some sort of concocted reasoning of just this season.

At least we both agree that to answer the thread as you have posted......
No, Mancini isn't a great manager.

never said he wasnt a great manager said it was too early to say, big difference

if winning an fa cup and premiership isnt good enough for you at this stage then that is your problem, i have a few mates like you although they do support the stretford lot

 

[Dethred]

Not sure why anyone is even mentioning the Garcia/Tevez switch. Even if Yaya stayed right where he was, it wasn't bad tactics. We were getting our fair share of corners and set pieces, of which Garcia is more suited than Tevez.

Tevez scoring through that wall of failures on defense would have been a miracle. Meanwhile Garcia lessens the chance of them scoring on us and brings an aerial threat.

Borderline brilliant if you ask me, and I'm on the fence about Mancini at this point.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The fact some people have suddenly forgotten what Mancini has given us is quite remarkable.

Very true. But most of them would still rather we had kept Hughesless.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

no your wrong the answer is

ferguson is a great manager

your argument that mancini isnt is that we havent played that well at the beginning of the season which is bollocks

is mancini a great manager its too early to say you cant say he isnt because when you try to back it up with facts they fall down

So going full circle my initial points based on his tenure since he has been here isn't fact and is actually some sort of concocted reasoning of just this season.

At least we both agree that to answer the thread as you have posted......
No, Mancini isn't a great manager.

never said he wasnt a great manager said it was too early to say, big difference

if winning an fa cup and premiership isnt good enough for you at this stage then that is your problem, i have a few mates like you although they do support the stretford lot

Splitting hairs. I said he isn't you said he isn't presently.

Where have I said it isn't good enough for me? Once again the premise of the thread is lost on you. I am delighted with what he has achieved but believe that doesn't instantly make him a great manager.

If that makes me a rag so be it

 

[Freestyler]

This post as follows posted by the user DD in the huge Mancini thread a few weeks back, and it's exactly how i've always felt about Mancini. The unbeaten run (which easily could have gone, but got away with murder) is just covering the cracks...

My stance on Mancini has been known for a couple of years. I keep trying to give him the benefit doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.

The question people need to debate is whether we have won things because of him or in spite of him.

My opinion is that a really good manager makes the total better than the sum of the parts. Jurgen Klopp at Dortmund would be a very good example of someone who built a team up on very little money, moulded together an excellent side of unproven names to become back to back champions and became a team that looks sure to qualify at our expense. Indeed, one that taught us a footballing lesson despite those players having as little Champions League experience as City the club has, which seems to be the staple excuse for us round these parts.

Roberto Mancini's team is less than the sum of the parts in my eyes. Certainly this season. A really good manager would have seen us win the league by a good few points last season, without the need for the United thowaway, because his tactical buffoonery on the road cost us many points. Similarly, that tactical buffoonery is costing us more points and masses of goals this year. I would also suggest that we would have won the Carling Cup too last year with another manager at the helm.

Our squad last season was by far and away the best in the league yet it so nearly ended up with nothing. That was because he changed his tactics away from home. It should never have been that way. Far too often we respect lesser opposition too much. Instead of going for the throat when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play a containing game when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our attacking players strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't.

This season there will be even less of an excuse for those tactics because everything was in place and we don't have to contend with the first time nerves.

It would be folly to get rid of Mancini now but I would suggest that a trophyless year may well see searching questions asked at the top, especially if we don't really challenge for the title.

I think that the players look lost out there at the moment, and I'm getting vibes from the players that they just don't understand what the manager is trying to do at all.

It has always been my opinion that it was the quality of the players that won us the title in spite of the leadership rather than because of it

 

[Matt the Giant]

This post as follows posted by the user DD in the huge Mancini thread a few weeks back, and it's exactly how i've always felt about Mancini. The unbeaten run (which easily could have gone, but got away with murder) is just covering the cracks...

My stance on Mancini has been known for a couple of years. I keep trying to give him the benefit doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.

The question people need to debate is whether we have won things because of him or in spite of him.

My opinion is that a really good manager makes the total better than the sum of the parts. Jurgen Klopp at Dortmund would be a very good example of someone who built a team up on very little money, moulded together an excellent side of unproven names to become back to back champions and became a team that looks sure to qualify at our expense. Indeed, one that taught us a footballing lesson despite those players having as little Champions League experience as City the club has, which seems to be the staple excuse for us round these parts.

Roberto Mancini's team is less than the sum of the parts in my eyes. Certainly this season. A really good manager would have seen us win the league by a good few points last season, without the need for the United thowaway, because his tactical buffoonery on the road cost us many points. Similarly, that tactical buffoonery is costing us more points and masses of goals this year. I would also suggest that we would have won the Carling Cup too last year with another manager at the helm.

Our squad last season was by far and away the best in the league yet it so nearly ended up with nothing. That was because he changed his tactics away from home. It should never have been that way. Far too often we respect lesser opposition too much. Instead of going for the throat when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play a containing game when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our attacking players strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't.

This season there will be even less of an excuse for those tactics because everything was in place and we don't have to contend with the first time nerves.

It would be folly to get rid of Mancini now but I would suggest that a trophyless year may well see searching questions asked at the top, especially if we don't really challenge for the title.

I think that the players look lost out there at the moment, and I'm getting vibes from the players that they just don't understand what the manager is trying to do at all.

It has always been my opinion that it was the quality of the players that won us the title in spite of the leadership rather than because of it

That's an excellent post, spot on!

 

[DD]

The fact some people have suddenly forgotten what Mancini has given us is quite remarkable.

The reality is that Shiekh Mansour gave it to us, not Mancini. Given the resources available, I would have expected anyone with a footballing nouse marginally above that of a chimpanzee to have some form of tangible success with the club.

Cheers, Freestyler, I was looking for that the other day! :)