Is our transfer policy letting us down?

[daztrueblue91]

I was talking to a mate the other day about the takeover and I noticed that the last 'elite' player we signed was Aguero, nearly four seasons ago. Since then we have spent around £180 million on players and none of them have gone on to become part of the spine of our team.

The key players in our side are exactly the same ones who won the league under Mancini. Now whilst its a good thing that we have kept our key players, you could also argue that our current team is actually weaker than the one we had under Bobby.

Jovetic is not a patch on Tevez, Fernando is not better than De Jong and Mangala is not currently as solid as a defender as Lescott was. Now whilst there are some upgrades such as Fernandinho and Navas being better than Barry and Johnson, overall I'd personally say we are a weaker side. If not weaker we are certainly not a much better side.

That leads me to our transfer business. Funds have been available to bring in top class players but instead we have gone for quantity over quality. The season after Mancini won the league was a disaster. We blew £50+ million on awful players none of which are in our plans when Hazard was available. Likewise this summer we could have had Sanchez or Fabregas both of whom would have took us to another level but instead opted for Mangala.

People can argue until their blue in the face that a CB was a priority however when players like Sanchez or Fabregas become available you get them. We would be much stronger with either of them two and keeping Lescott for another season.

IMO we have rested on our laurels again just like we did under Mancini. Both times we won the league we did it coming off the back of the collapse of a title challenger. That's not me knocking our achievements, but we have never dominated like Chelsea, Arsenal or United. Also both times we have won the league we have been in a position to dominate but instead of going for the kill and adding top class players to the team we have gone for potential. When we storm the league by 8 points then add the potential but when we are sealing the title on the last day then improve the team as much as possible.

 

[the originalkippaxman]

I really cant wait for the kids to go back to school

 

[Marvin]

I was talking to a mate the other day about the takeover and I noticed that the last 'elite' player we signed was Aguero, nearly four seasons ago. Since then we have spent around £180 million on players and none of them have gone on to become part of the spine of our team.

The key players in our side are exactly the same ones who won the league under Mancini. Now whilst its a good thing that we have kept our key players, you could also argue that our current team is actually weaker than the one we had under Bobby.

Jovetic is not a patch on Tevez, Fernando is not better than De Jong and Mangala is not currently as solid as a defender as Lescott was. Now whilst there are some upgrades such as Fernandinho and Navas being better than Barry and Johnson, overall I'd personally say we are a weaker side. If not weaker we are certainly not a much better side.

That leads me to our transfer business. Funds have been available to bring in top class players but instead we have gone for quantity over quality. The season after Mancini won the league was a disaster. We blew £50+ million on awful players none of which are in our plans when Hazard was available. Likewise this summer we could have had Sanchez or Fabregas both of whom would have took us to another level but instead opted for Mangala.

People can argue until their blue in the face that a CB was a priority however when players like Sanchez or Fabregas become available you get them. We would be much stronger with either of them two and keeping Lescott for another season.

IMO we have rested on our laurels again just like we did under Mancini. Both times we won the league we did it coming off the back of the collapse of a title challenger. That's not me knocking our achievements, but we have never dominated like Chelsea, Arsenal or United. Also both times we have won the league we have been in a position to dominate but instead of going for the kill and adding top class players to the team we have gone for potential. When we storm the league by 8 points then add the potential but when we are sealing the title on the last day then improve the team as much as possible.

This is by far the strongest team or squad we have had. The only problem is that Chelsea have also improved, and maybe we are not as hungry as we were the first time around.

Mangala is quality. I think he'll turn into another Kompany. Demichelis has been quality too, and he was universally rubbished 12 months ago. I weighed in too with my criticism of him. New players, especially central defenders whose game relies a lot on communication need time

 

[Manchester_lalala]

I was talking to a mate the other day about the takeover and I noticed that the last 'elite' player we signed was Aguero, nearly four seasons ago. Since then we have spent around £180 million on players and none of them have gone on to become part of the spine of our team.

The key players in our side are exactly the same ones who won the league under Mancini. Now whilst its a good thing that we have kept our key players, you could also argue that our current team is actually weaker than the one we had under Bobby.

Jovetic is not a patch on Tevez, Fernando is not better than De Jong and Mangala is not currently as solid as a defender as Lescott was. Now whilst there are some upgrades such as Fernandinho and Navas being better than Barry and Johnson, overall I'd personally say we are a weaker side. If not weaker we are certainly not a much better side.

That leads me to our transfer business. Funds have been available to bring in top class players but instead we have gone for quantity over quality. The season after Mancini won the league was a disaster. We blew £50+ million on awful players none of which are in our plans when Hazard was available. Likewise this summer we could have had Sanchez or Fabregas both of whom would have took us to another level but instead opted for Mangala.

People can argue until their blue in the face that a CB was a priority however when players like Sanchez or Fabregas become available you get them. We would be much stronger with either of them two and keeping Lescott for another season.

IMO we have rested on our laurels again just like we did under Mancini. Both times we won the league we did it coming off the back of the collapse of a title challenger. That's not me knocking our achievements, but we have never dominated like Chelsea, Arsenal or United. Also both times we have won the league we have been in a position to dominate but instead of going for the kill and adding top class players to the team we have gone for potential. When we storm the league by 8 points then add the potential but when we are sealing the title on the last day then improve the team as much as possible.

We defintley need another signing like aguero to take us to the next level. We've added some good additions over the years, but yeah defintley need another world class signing.

 

[BigOscar]

Not this shit again, can't we just dig up the last thread when this was brought up? (probably emerged after the last time we lost)

 

[Ray78]

No!!!

 

[Segga]

I think the big signings will hopefully come this summer with a bit of a overhaul.

I think Navas could go with hopefully Reus coming in.
I think Yaya could go with a younger model coming in possibly Pogba or Barkley or Koke
Then I hope we bring in a striker as well, no idea who is available though!

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

I was talking to a mate the other day about the takeover and I noticed that the last 'elite' player we signed was Aguero, nearly four seasons ago. Since then we have spent around £180 million on players and none of them have gone on to become part of the spine of our team.

The key players in our side are exactly the same ones who won the league under Mancini. Now whilst its a good thing that we have kept our key players, you could also argue that our current team is actually weaker than the one we had under Bobby.

Jovetic is not a patch on Tevez, Fernando is not better than De Jong and Mangala is not currently as solid as a defender as Lescott was. Now whilst there are some upgrades such as Fernandinho and Navas being better than Barry and Johnson, overall I'd personally say we are a weaker side. If not weaker we are certainly not a much better side.

That leads me to our transfer business. Funds have been available to bring in top class players but instead we have gone for quantity over quality. The season after Mancini won the league was a disaster. We blew £50+ million on awful players none of which are in our plans when Hazard was available. Likewise this summer we could have had Sanchez or Fabregas both of whom would have took us to another level but instead opted for Mangala.

People can argue until their blue in the face that a CB was a priority however when players like Sanchez or Fabregas become available you get them. We would be much stronger with either of them two and keeping Lescott for another season.

IMO we have rested on our laurels again just like we did under Mancini. Both times we won the league we did it coming off the back of the collapse of a title challenger. That's not me knocking our achievements, but we have never dominated like Chelsea, Arsenal or United. Also both times we have won the league we have been in a position to dominate but instead of going for the kill and adding top class players to the team we have gone for potential. When we storm the league by 8 points then add the potential but when we are sealing the title on the last day then improve the team as much as possible.

The transfer policy has been limited by FFP mate. I'm pretty sure we wanted to spend more than 50 mill after winning the title under Mancini and we didn't want to be handicapped by the 50 mill transfer spend this summer!

I agree that we need to bring in a big hitter or two this summer - its way overdue. Like you say Aguero was the last big player in high demand that we signed, since then we've missed out on RVP, Hazard, Sanchez, Fabregas and probably more that I've forgotten about. Sooner or later we need to start dining at the top table again, at least for a portion or two. A Pogba, or a Reus or a Hummels etc are way overdue. It'll be an interesting summer let's hope it isn't a disappointing one!

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

It's been good enough to keep us challenging domestically but not good enough to get us up to the top table in Europe.

 

[Segga]

I was talking to a mate the other day about the takeover and I noticed that the last 'elite' player we signed was Aguero, nearly four seasons ago. Since then we have spent around £180 million on players and none of them have gone on to become part of the spine of our team.

The key players in our side are exactly the same ones who won the league under Mancini. Now whilst its a good thing that we have kept our key players, you could also argue that our current team is actually weaker than the one we had under Bobby.

Jovetic is not a patch on Tevez, Fernando is not better than De Jong and Mangala is not currently as solid as a defender as Lescott was. Now whilst there are some upgrades such as Fernandinho and Navas being better than Barry and Johnson, overall I'd personally say we are a weaker side. If not weaker we are certainly not a much better side.

That leads me to our transfer business. Funds have been available to bring in top class players but instead we have gone for quantity over quality. The season after Mancini won the league was a disaster. We blew £50+ million on awful players none of which are in our plans when Hazard was available. Likewise this summer we could have had Sanchez or Fabregas both of whom would have took us to another level but instead opted for Mangala.

People can argue until their blue in the face that a CB was a priority however when players like Sanchez or Fabregas become available you get them. We would be much stronger with either of them two and keeping Lescott for another season.

IMO we have rested on our laurels again just like we did under Mancini. Both times we won the league we did it coming off the back of the collapse of a title challenger. That's not me knocking our achievements, but we have never dominated like Chelsea, Arsenal or United. Also both times we have won the league we have been in a position to dominate but instead of going for the kill and adding top class players to the team we have gone for potential. When we storm the league by 8 points then add the potential but when we are sealing the title on the last day then improve the team as much as possible.

The transfer policy has been limited by FFP mate. I'm pretty sure we wanted to spend more than 50 mill after winning the title under Mancini and we didn't want to be handicapped by the 50 mill transfer spend this summer!

I agree that we need to bring in a big hitter or two this summer - its way overdue. Like you say Aguero was the last big player in high demand that we signed, since then we've missed out on RVP, Hazard, Sanchez, Fabregas and probably more that I've forgotten about. Sooner or later we need to start dining at the top table again, at least for a portion or two. A Pogba, or a Reus or a Hummels etc are way overdue. It'll be an interesting summer let's hope it isn't a disappointing one!

Could add Isco to that list. He is having a season and half at Madrid.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Not this shit again, can't we just dig up the last thread when this was brought up? (probably emerged after the last time we lost)

Nothing to do with bashing the players or manager. Its amazing what this team has achieved under Pellegrini.

The fact still remains that we are a long way away from Bayern and Madrid and that will not change unless we start competing for the best players.

Madrid want a winger so they get Bale, arguably the best in the world.

Bayern want a DM so they get Javi Martinez again one of the worlds best.

By contrast we end up with Navas and Fernando. That's not a dig at either of them as they are both good players, but they are not the type of players to lead a leading European team. i just think Pellegrini will not reach his potential here unless we start to compete for the best players. Which is a shame because aside from Pep, Pellers is the best manager in Europe.

 

[bluechampion7891]

Not this shit again, can't we just dig up the last thread when this was brought up? (probably emerged after the last time we lost)

This. I remember last time when we had a poor run the topic crept up. And we haven't had a poor rub since, just 1 bad half and we are back.

its important to remember that we are only 3 points off top and after all our injuries and the lack of preseason that is a fantastic achievement.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I was talking to a mate the other day about the takeover and I noticed that the last 'elite' player we signed was Aguero, nearly four seasons ago. Since then we have spent around £180 million on players and none of them have gone on to become part of the spine of our team.

The key players in our side are exactly the same ones who won the league under Mancini. Now whilst its a good thing that we have kept our key players, you could also argue that our current team is actually weaker than the one we had under Bobby.

Jovetic is not a patch on Tevez, Fernando is not better than De Jong and Mangala is not currently as solid as a defender as Lescott was. Now whilst there are some upgrades such as Fernandinho and Navas being better than Barry and Johnson, overall I'd personally say we are a weaker side. If not weaker we are certainly not a much better side.

That leads me to our transfer business. Funds have been available to bring in top class players but instead we have gone for quantity over quality. The season after Mancini won the league was a disaster. We blew £50+ million on awful players none of which are in our plans when Hazard was available. Likewise this summer we could have had Sanchez or Fabregas both of whom would have took us to another level but instead opted for Mangala.

People can argue until their blue in the face that a CB was a priority however when players like Sanchez or Fabregas become available you get them. We would be much stronger with either of them two and keeping Lescott for another season.

IMO we have rested on our laurels again just like we did under Mancini. Both times we won the league we did it coming off the back of the collapse of a title challenger. That's not me knocking our achievements, but we have never dominated like Chelsea, Arsenal or United. Also both times we have won the league we have been in a position to dominate but instead of going for the kill and adding top class players to the team we have gone for potential. When we storm the league by 8 points then add the potential but when we are sealing the title on the last day then improve the team as much as possible.

The transfer policy has been limited by FFP mate. I'm pretty sure we wanted to spend more than 50 mill after winning the title under Mancini and we didn't want to be handicapped by the 50 mill transfer spend this summer!

I agree that we need to bring in a big hitter or two this summer - its way overdue. Like you say Aguero was the last big player in high demand that we signed, since then we've missed out on RVP, Hazard, Sanchez, Fabregas and probably more that I've forgotten about. Sooner or later we need to start dining at the top table again, at least for a portion or two. A Pogba, or a Reus or a Hummels etc are way overdue. It'll be an interesting summer let's hope it isn't a disappointing one!

Could add Isco to that list. He is having a season and half at Madrid.

I wouldn't have called him a big hitter had we signed him last year. A player with great potential but not proven at the highest level. Same with Hazard.

Rvp, Sanchez, Di Maria and Fabregas are the big hitters that became available and we either didn't get (RVP) or didn't go for.

 

[Rösler von Stretfordbömber]

Fernandinho?

Arguably one of the best players in the League last year. Rounding back into that form again.

But I do agree that with the "bite" of FFP coming off it is clearly time to go get the Pogba/Reus top echelon guy who may be out there in the summer. That's as obvious as the deformed turtle head bulging out of the neckline of Title Contender van fucking Genius.

Also, to the OP - you really think Lescott would be better in this style of defence than DeMichelis or Mangala? Lescott was dropped two years ago and more or less publicly identified by Mancini as the reason we "were not defending well." And that was in a style of defence far more more suited to him than this.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Fernandinho?

Arguably one of the best players in the League last year. Rounding back into that form again.

But I do agree that with the "bite" of FFP coming off it is clearly time to go get the Pogba/Reus top echelon guy who may be out there in the summer. That's as obvious as the deformed turtle head bulging out of the neckline of Title Contender van fucking Genius.

Also, to the OP - you really think Lescott would be better in this style of defence than DeMichelis or Mangala? Lescott was dropped two years ago and more or less publicly identified by Mancini as the reason we "were not defending well." And that was in a style of defence far more more suited to him than this.

Not at all, Demichellis is the best CB at the club and Lescott was a liability in this system we play.

But IMO we would be a much stronger team with Fabregas in CM and Lescott as a back up CB than our current squad.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Fernandinho?

Arguably one of the best players in the League last year. Rounding back into that form again.

But I do agree that with the "bite" of FFP coming off it is clearly time to go get the Pogba/Reus top echelon guy who may be out there in the summer. That's as obvious as the deformed turtle head bulging out of the neckline of Title Contender van fucking Genius.

Also, to the OP - you really think Lescott would be better in this style of defence than DeMichelis or Mangala? Lescott was dropped two years ago and more or less publicly identified by Mancini as the reason we "were not defending well." And that was in a style of defence far more more suited to him than this.

Not at all, Demichellis is the best CB at the club and Lescott was a liability in this system we play.

But IMO we would be a much stronger team with Fabregas in CM and Lescott as a back up CB than our current squad.

 

[dobobobo]

Not this shit again, can't we just dig up the last thread when this was brought up? (probably emerged after the last time we lost)

This is the last one I recall:

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[raymondkl92]

I really cant wait for the kids to go back to school

Not long left

 

[mastermind]

this season we really needed a goal keeper and a defensive midfielder with more pace than Garcia .. and we also desperately needed a center back .. due to ffp we had no money to buy anyone else.

last season we signed some decent players in navas, fernandinho, demichelis and negredo...the only player who has flopped during pellegrinis/txikis reign is jovetic..hes always injured and something tells me he will keep getting injuries throughout his career .. so obviously we need to stop buying players who have negative injury records.

i think weve done well, but we always need to be upgrading the squad ..so long as we do that, we'll be ok.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

We can't rebuild with the kind of player the OP would want when we are restricted to a net spend of £49m. Until FFP is ditched, or we suddenly receive silly money for players like Jovetic, Dzeko, Nastasic, Sinclair and Guidetti, then dream on.