Is the club going to put in an official complaint about the officiating on Saturday?

NJMCFC184 said:
Let's stop being soft and just get on with it, work on mentality. 2 years ago we'd of equalised and gone on to win.
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Yeah, why should we have to play to the same rules as everybody else, we should just start on -1 goals handicap every game, the players just need to stop being soft and get on with it, we just have to be better than everyone else and overcome the -1 goal deficit.
Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Why do we have to be "good enough to overcome the referees/take the referees influence out of the game" or "not be soft and go on to win"?
Why do we have to have a 9/10 performance every game "to take the decisions away from the referee". We're not as good as we were 2 years ago and small margins constantly make a difference. Liverpool had a dip in form at the start of last season but when they did they became the one and only team to get a penalty for holding in the box and the only team to get a goal chalked off for holding in the box, was that them "not being soft" and seeing the game out like the brave soldiers they are or were they allowed to play at a level below their usual and the officials giving them leeway to play into gorm and on to a title?
In the Premier League if you want to take the referee out of the equation you have to dive, cheat, time waste, complain and feign injury otherwise you never get a decision. Playing that way is being 'soft'.
Mentality has nothing to do with it, if the opposition are playing to different rules then mentality is irrelevant. If I was allowed to kick fuck out of a better player than me all game mentality wouldn't come in to it, I'm at an advantage.
Mentality and "not being soft" doesn't stop goalkeepers being allowed to handle the ball outside the box, doesn't stop our players having cheekbones broken with not even a foul being given. You can't hardman your way out of offside rules being irrelevant to your opponent, being brave doesn't stop opponents getting a penalty for the slightest touch while you're being booted all over the place. Being Billy Big Bollocks doesn't stop goals being chalked off because our striker was just stronger than the defender but the opponent can have goals chalked off as an attacker brushed against their keeper when going for the ball.
 
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Here's what Law 12 says:

Direct and indirect free kicks and penalty kicks can only be awarded for offences committed when the ball is in play.

1. Direct free kick

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
  • charges
  • jumps at
  • kicks or attempts to kick
  • pushes
  • strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
  • tackles or challenges
  • trips or attempts to trip
If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

Was the ball in play? Yes it was.
Did Schar tackle or challenge Foden? Yes he did.
Did the offence involve contact? Yes it did.

There's nothing in Law 12 about whether a player kicked the ball first or not. Regardless of whether it was careless, reckless or involved excessive force, it was a foul.
 
abu13 said:
To a point I can understand the decision not to award Foden a penalty as it is deemed subjective. However the offside call was shocking, the rules are the the entire arm can not be offside, it even stipulates the underside of the armpit. The measurement was clearly taken from the sleeve of the shirt, this is correct for deciding handball but not offside.

This is a terrible error to be made at a key time in the match. An acknowlegement of this would be nice but im not expecting one.
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a late tackle is not subjective ,it is a foul
 
waspish said:
Subjective now your taking the piss
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It's a foul. It's only subjective in that the referee needs to decide whether the foul warranted a yellow or red card* to go with the penalty decision. Whether or not it was a foul and therefore a penalty, should not have been subjective, but the referee mistakenly made it so.

* Edit. Or no card at all.
 
Dodge said:
Our rivals go on the pitch in the knowledge that they will get the 50/50 decisions In their favour. We go on the pitch trying to circumvent the officials, negotiating a path through a minefield of unfathomable decisions and interpretations of the LOTG that fly in the face of fairness.

Our players have suffered this for years. They know its not just about skill, technique or tactics. The psychological effect of this cannot be underestimated.

You can pretty much guarantee the following pattern for every single PL game for Manchester City FC:

* We will be penalised for the slightest transgression.
* We will be flagged early for marginal offside calls, whilst opposition marginal offsides will be allowed to play out and be decided by VAR.
* The threshold for penalty claims will be raised for us and lowered for the opposition.
* Players will be cautioned for barely bookable offences.
* Team fouling will be ignored for our opposition.
* Persistent individual opposition fouling will be allowed without caution thereby taking out any risk of a 2nd yellow.
* Key City players will be booked at the earliest opportunity thereby increasing the risk of a second yellow.
* Time wasting will be ignored for the opposition but be dealt with by a caution for our players (see the barely believable stats for City GK bookings compared to opponent GK cautions).
* Additional time will be applied by a multiple of 2 if we're winning a game, divided by 2 if we're chasing a game.
* Referees will be positioning themselves in our passing lanes.
* VAR will continue to look for reasons to disallow a City goal, whilst looking for ways to allow an opposition goal.
* Impeding of our GK will be allowed for any set piece.
* Tactical breaks will be allowed whenever an oppo GK decides to feign injury at the instruction of the bench.
* Dubious "advantage" plays will be implemented for City despite no advantage.
* Clear and obvious "advantage" plays for City will be pulled back for the offence to allow our oppo to regroup.
* Play will be stopped to allow oppo players to tie their laces.
* Dissent and ref crowding will be allowed for our oppo but punishable by caution for ours.
* After any City VAR decision 10 minutes will be allocated to allow the VAR team time to manipulate any AI images, adjust camera angles, confer with the PL to massage the PIGMOL statement and set the narrative with the broadcasters.

How many times have we heard the term fine margins? Well, if the fine margins are rigged by officialdom, those small percentages decide outcomes and titles, despite world class coaching and world class players.

In rugby union, the appointed referee is analysed, his decision making patterns studied and his interpretation of the rules communicated to the players as part of any game preparation. The TMO process however is transparent, the process shown live in the stadium in real time and decisions are accepted, rarely deemed skewed in the favour of one team.

Compare and contrast the VAR process we get in our national sport.

Institutionalised at PIGMOL, aided and abetted by the PL, and normalised by the likes of Sly, Nonce TV (Salford) Ltd and the Redtop media cartel.

Complaint? What's the point?
Revolution? Bring it fucking on.
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Used to think those kind of decisions even themselves out over the course of the season, but I've been watching us long enough since our takeover (and before) to know that is patently false.
The one call a season that goes our way will serve as fuel for our opponents, and blue apologists alike who fall over themselves trying to tell us it is the same for everyone.
Football has and always will be bent.
Many of our opponents have won matches because of the officials, whereas when we win, it is inspite of them.
While that makes our wins all the more sweeter, it doesn't erode the sense of injustice at the opportunities taken from us over the years.
 
Paladin said:
It's a foul. It's only subjective in that the referee needs to decide whether the foul warranted a yellow or red card* to go with the penalty decision. Whether or not it was a foul and therefore a penalty, should not have been subjective, but the referee mistakenly made it so.

* Edit. Or no card at all.
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Now that is better explained
 
NJMCFC184 said:
Let's stop being soft and just get on with it, work on mentality. 2 years ago we'd of equalised and gone on to win.
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If we dont say anything how will things change?

We dont have to make a big deal of it, but we its absolutely right to be expressing our dissatisfaction with the officiating on the weekend to the relevant authorities.
 
waspish said:
Other managers after that ankle breaker in Foden would of come out full guns blazing with “that tackle could of ended fodens caree” then going on about seems players against us csn foul us 4/5 times without a booking where as we do 2 fouls we get booked!
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"In the [Foden] situation you can clearly see that he could have been killed"...

That's the only time something even REMOTELY Whiskey Nose will ever come from me!
 
Whether or not said:
I get where you’re coming from, and I am as frustrated as anyone. But, there is a fine line between understanding that the football establishment don’t like us, and going full into full Scouse victim mode, and we need to be better than that. Since VAR came in we have had some shocking decisions, but we have also had plenty go our way - Stones goal at Wolves, Bernardo penalty at Arsenal, VVD offside goal. Fans of our main rivals argue constantly that we get everything. The VAR system and the people operating it are crap, they are not competent enough to be running a conspiracy.
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Not on a weekly basis, but once in a while one gets earmarked for certain reasons and for me this was one of those. They came in late and dirty all game long with zero repercussions. Excluding VAR and pens and such this was a shitshow by this referee, simple as...
 
moomba said:
If we dont say anything how will things change?

We dont have to make a big deal of it, but we its absolutely right to be expressing our dissatisfaction with the officiating on the weekend to the relevant authorities.
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100% agree

Turning the other cheek might’ve been the way to go in biblical times but it’s been proven to be very ineffective during our era of dominance.

The media, emboldened by our toothless unwillingness to seek legal recourse, still regularly libel and slander us with impunity. And of course most weeks we get the sharp end of the stick from officials without so much as a murmur of discontent from anyone in our ranks.

A flexing of our muscles is way overdue.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Here's what Law 12 says:

Direct and indirect free kicks and penalty kicks can only be awarded for offences committed when the ball is in play.

1. Direct free kick

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
  • charges
  • jumps at
  • kicks or attempts to kick
  • pushes
  • strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
  • tackles or challenges
  • trips or attempts to trip
If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

Was the ball in play? Yes it was.
Did Schar tackle or challenge Foden? Yes he did.
Did the offence involve contact? Yes it did.

There's nothing in Law 12 about whether a player kicked the ball first or not. Regardless of whether it was careless, reckless or involved excessive force, it was a foul.
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Indirect free kicks? Do they still exist?
 
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