Isco

[Dax777]

I think he could, he has the vision and the work rate to perform there and is a menace in the air too. He could stay in the role until Silva finally moves on, for example. Having said that...



Sadly agree with you here. Isco will leave because he's not starting and he will choose a club that can both pay him and make assurances that he'll be in the first XI. He almost certainly won't be able to get this from City.

I think Isco will be a starter here. He'll be the starter at Pivot. And he'll be better than Yaya at it.

But if I were Pep, I'll in fact move Silva to the Pivot to save his legs and longetivity. And start Isco at the 8 next to Kev. It also works as Gundo will start the season returning from a serious injury.

But even is Silva isn't moved, Isco at Pivot would be amazing too.

I think once Isco plays for a manager who cherishes talent above all, he'll not only become a starter, but most likely a star.

 

[Tevez City]

I think Isco is more talented. Hazard is better though. As Hazard has produced as the star of a top team while Isco struggles the last 3 years with simply finding a starting role.

I had an argument with you few years ago when we were linked with Hazard, I told you Hazard is better than Silva and Nasri and you said no he isn't better of any of them.

Now it seems I was right about it.


And now I am saying Bernardo is better than Isco and I think after few years I will be right again.

 

[blue wang]

I think Isco will be a starter here. He'll be the starter at Pivot. And he'll be better than Yaya at it.

But if I were Pep, I'll in fact move Silva to the Pivot to save his legs and longetivity. And start Isco at the 8 next to Kev. It also works as Gundo will start the season returning from a serious injury.

But even is Silva isn't moved, Isco at Pivot would be amazing too.

I think once Isco plays for a manager who cherishes talent above all, he'll not only become a starter, but most likely a star.

I think you are doing Yaya a diservice, His passing and ball retention are unrivaled . These are the key attributes for the Pivot.
I very much doubt Isco could reach that level straight away. Yaya has had a lot of experience in that role coupled with his quality.

 

[Phil1]

I had an argument with you few years ago when we were linked with Hazard, I told you Hazard is better than Silva and Nasri and you said no he isn't better of any of them.

Now it seems I was right about it.


And now I am saying Bernardo is better than Isco and I think after few years I will be right again.

How was you right about Hazard being better than Silva? They play completely different positions for one so it's impossible to compare but if you are I'd say Silva has been more important to City than Hazard has been for Chelsea.
I certainly wouldn't have ever wanted to swap.

 

[domalino]

I think you are doing Yaya a diservice, His passing and ball retention are unrivaled . These are the key attributes for the Pivot.
I very much doubt Isco could reach that level straight away. Yaya has had a lot of experience in that role coupled with his quality.

Isco's passing and ball retention are Nasri-esque, he's definitely got that side of the game fine, I'm just not sure about his defensive positioning and physicality. Yaya's really been putting himself about recently, particularly in the air. Isco is only 5'9'', which will be a hindrance despite his much more energetic style.

 

[dachoosen1]

Isco couldn't do the defensive side of the pivot role if we started him, Silva and kdb we would get overrun in cm. All peps team have had a defensively sound intelligent cm Sergio at Barca and lahm at Bayern. We have fernandinho but I'm starting to think pep feels he lacks the intelligence for the role.

 

[aguero93:20]

Isco couldn't do the defensive side of the pivot role if we started him, Silva and kdb we would get overrun in cm. All peps team have had a defensively sound intelligent cm Sergio at Barca and lahm at Bayern. We have fernandinho but I'm starting to think pep feels he lacks the intelligence for the role.

He doesn't lack the intelligence but teams have attacked his lack of height and his range of passing isn't as good as Yaya's - not an intelligence thing, more of an ingrained technique thing. I don't think we'd sign Isco and use him as the first choice DM, but he would be usable as a backup, as would Nasri or Dinho and that would stop us having to sign someone substandard who would be happy to be nothing other than the backup DM in the squad, which is the approach that has landed us with a fair few players that simply aren't up to scratch over the last few years.

It'll also make it easier to blood younger players when we don't have a second XI baying for games every time the lower priority fixtures eg League Cup roll around, Nacho is the only player to have gotten a chance in the last few years and that was solely because we weren't deeply stacked in his position, there's no way in hell he would have gotten a proper chance had we still had for example, Jovetic, Dzeko, Negredo and Aguero or Balotelli, Tevez, Dzeko and Aguero in the senior squad. We see it now where Maffeo and Garcia can come into the senior teams and turn in MOTM or close to it performances, but then they can't get into the team again because they're behind 2/3 full internationals on high wages for their positions.

 

[Dax777]

I had an argument with you few years ago when we were linked with Hazard, I told you Hazard is better than Silva and Nasri and you said no he isn't better of any of them.

Now it seems I was right about it.


And now I am saying Bernardo is better than Isco and I think after few years I will be right again.

Wrong guy. I never liked Nasri as a prospect, so I'd never rate him over Hazard. Silva I deemed better than Hazard in a few years and Hazard better in a couple. They are about the same level with different skillsets. But you'd have to rejog my memory of that exchange. I'm certain you'd find in not the one you had the Nasri exchange with.


That said, Isco is better than Bernado now. And would probably be long-term. Just better skill set.

 

[Dax777]

I think you are doing Yaya a diservice, His passing and ball retention are unrivaled . These are the key attributes for the Pivot.
I very much doubt Isco could reach that level straight away. Yaya has had a lot of experience in that role coupled with his quality.

Not at all.
I know what Yaya has done. And I've been advocating for it for 2 years. Long ago when Yaya as pivot was an idea most laughed at and tot it beyond stupid. But the truth is Isco is stronger defensively, technically more skilled and almost as good of a rotating play passer. Thus overall, I think he'll play the role slightly differently, but the overall output will be a net plus.

Its like comparing how Modric plays CM to how Kroos plays it. They are different but both very effective.

 

[Silva_Spell]

Right now Isco would start on the bench for us imo but with Silva's age and us wanting to safeguard his ankle and just general stamina, plus Isco's ability to play wide as a different option to a speedy winger, Isco would play a lot more here than he does at Real, and in time he'd play all the time as Silva becomes a squad player and/or moves position.

He'll be in his last year of his contract and has only played around 600mins of LL football so you'd expect to get a good deal.

 

[MCFC1993]

We need him for the simple fact that when we start changing our first team around the quality significantly drops

He could easily rotate with KDB and Silva who play in the position he would and he would still get much more game time here. Also like others have said, if Sterling or Sane or possible even Yaya/Fern aren't fit he could easily fill in there as he's better than Nolito/Navas. Then add to that he could play false 9, so thats 6 positions where he could play and he'd be 1st or 2nd choice in 4 of them (LW, RW or either CM spot), game time wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Yates]

The more I watch him, the more I want us to sign him. It's no coincidence Real scored 3 goals and won the game after he came on.

He did look great when he came on but the referee was the one who gave Real Madrid a route back into the game

 

[andyhinch]

He did look great when he came on but the referee was the one who gave Real Madrid a route back into the game

We need to take a leaf out of the rags book and sign the ref

 

[dronefromsector7G]

We need to take a leaf out of the rags book and sign the ref

And 659 million armchair fans

 

[aguero93:20]

He did look great when he came on but the referee was the one who gave Real Madrid a route back into the game

It wasn't our **** ref from last week against Monaco by any chance was it? Apparently he's a bit of a Real Madrid fan, Maureen used to beg for him to be given their big games.

 

[dachoosen1]

He doesn't lack the intelligence but teams have attacked his lack of height and his range of passing isn't as good as Yaya's - not an intelligence thing, more of an ingrained technique thing. I don't think we'd sign Isco and use him as the first choice DM, but he would be usable as a backup, as would Nasri or Dinho and that would stop us having to sign someone substandard who would be happy to be nothing other than the backup DM in the squad, which is the approach that has landed us with a fair few players that simply aren't up to scratch over the last few years.

It'll also make it easier to blood younger players when we don't have a second XI baying for games every time the lower priority fixtures eg League Cup roll around, Nacho is the only player to have gotten a chance in the last few years and that was solely because we weren't deeply stacked in his position, there's no way in hell he would have gotten a proper chance had we still had for example, Jovetic, Dzeko, Negredo and Aguero or Balotelli, Tevez, Dzeko and Aguero in the senior squad. We see it now where Maffeo and Garcia can come into the senior teams and turn in MOTM or close to it performances, but then they can't get into the team again because they're behind 2/3 full internationals on high wages for their positions.

I disagree I'm a huge fernandinho fan but his positioning and decision making can be suspect at times. But his amazing work rate and fitness levels cover it up he is a clever player but I feel he is abit off the levels pep wants. Lahm is shorter then fernandinho and was one of the top DMS around under pep. It's not about physical attributes under pep but work rate and intelligence. Isco would be a luxury or a future replacement for Silva but can't see him putting the shift in on the defensive side of the role. If the price is right I would definitely sign isco as cover for Silva and kdb. I think gundogan would do great in the DM role but is it his best position and can we really depend on his fitness?

 

[Dax777]

I disagree I'm a huge fernandinho fan but his positioning and decision making can be suspect at times. But his amazing work rate and fitness levels cover it up he is a clever player but I feel he is abit off the levels pep wants. Lahm is shorter then fernandinho and was one of the top DMS around under pep. It's not about physical attributes under pep but work rate and intelligence. Isco would be a luxury or a future replacement for Silva but can't see him putting the shift in on the defensive side of the role. If the price is right I would definitely sign isco as cover for Silva and kdb. I think gundogan would do great in the DM role but is it his best position and can we really depend on his fitness?

This comment was often made about Yaya less than 2 months ago. I will repeat" Isco is more defensive than Yaya. So we can erase the notion that he wouldn't put in the defensive work. He will because it is what is required and he knows it.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

This comment was often made about Yaya less than 2 months ago. I will repeat" Isco is more defensive than Yaya. So we can erase the notion that he wouldn't put in the defensive work. He will because it is what is required and he knows it.

I have seen Isco play at both wing and full-back, his defensive game was excellent.

We appear to besinging from same hymn sheet on this one?

He would be the youthful upgrade on Yaya as the deepest lying midfielder along with Silva.

Technique, when coupled with inspiration and motivation, from someone like Pep, makes Isco an incredible asset

 

[RayCTID]

Isco is a team player and for the right price he will be very good addition, but there will be a lot work to get his defensive side of game bang on, and I wouldn't put him the Yaya Toure or Xabi Alonso category (both midfielders are equally comfortable in both defending and attacking)

 

[MeatHunterrr]

This comment was often made about Yaya less than 2 months ago. I will repeat" Isco is more defensive than Yaya. So we can erase the notion that he wouldn't put in the defensive work. He will because it is what is required and he knows it.

Agree completely. Would be great piece of business to get Isco.