Middle East Conflict

Vic said:
France and Switzerland on the Security Council voted for a ceasefire, with plenty of support from Western governments (and Eastern).
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That's great but what I meant was condemnation of what is really happening under guise of 'getting rid of Hamas'
 
west didsblue said:
Doubt it.

Certainly not while Israel has Netanyahu as PM because cunts like King form his core support.
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That's a problem, isn't it?

Especially if the definition of antisemitism includes likening Israeli policies to that of the Nazis.

He's talking about Untermensch - and not just the Hamas criminals of October 7th - while settlers seem quite happy to justify landgrabbing not just because of a supposed ancient right to the land but because they need living space. Lebensraum.

Lebensraum as a justification for Israeli settlements

We were fortunate when we occupied the West Bank because had we not done so, where would we have come to live? And who knows how high housing prices would have risen?
www.haaretz.com www.haaretz.com
 
Vic said:
France and Switzerland on the Security Council voted for a ceasefire, with plenty of support from Western governments (and Eastern).
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China (occupying Tibet, threatening Taiwan and committing cultural genocide against its own Muslim population) and Russia (massacring Ukrainian civilians) also voted for a ceasefire as members of the same Security Council that hasn't once mentioned the October 7th massacres.

The Security Council chaired by Ecuador, which has a questionable human rights record, and also has the UAE as a non-permanent member, which bombed Yemen to fuck along with the Saudis. Great to see those countries practicing what they preach, and that they're fully on your side Vic.
 
metalblue said:
He’s describing a technocracy divided along blood lines rather than intellect.

Any nation that considers a genetic trait to make the person less worthy of equality is in trouble. It’s not just in Israel you see these prejudices either, but perhaps only might we think Israel are acting on them given how cheap an Arab life is seemingly deemed.

At the start of this when I read that Israelis were stopping their cars and kicking the corpses of the terrorists and how their bodies had been left but the bodies of Jews removed did I think they don’t see the Arabs as human and whilst that thought had traction this will never end.

For balance it’s also reasonable to conclude Hamas do not value Jewish life either but two wrongs don’t make a right.
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Reasonable to conclude in who's opinion?
If you don't see any evidence than you just come to a reasonable conclusion, i e, make it up and throw it out there
You keep inferring, assuming and concluding to support your false relativism but you never hear Palestinians referring to Jews as sub human but on the other hand you constantly hear members of the Israeli government referring to the Palestinians as subhuman which you never condemn but rather glibly "reasonably conclude" that the other side must be thinking the same.
The Palestinians, and Muslims in general, were always quite happy to give the Jews refuge in their countries for centuries right from the times of the Spanish inquisition and even before that when they were fleeing persecution at the hands of the Europeans, who have historically been the biggest persecutors and murderers of Jews. They were giving them refuge when the Americans were turning away shipfulls of Jewish refugees during WW2 and returning them to Germany to face the concentration camps and gas chambers ( it's all documented fact) and the British were trying to keep out the Jews by using the Aliens Act of 1919 and the Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians and other assorted Europeans were busy pogroming them.

If ever there was an example of the saying that "a good deed never goes unpunished", this is it.

How's this for an example of shameless ingratitude and treachery.
 
Vic said:
That's a problem, isn't it?

Especially if the definition of antisemitism includes likening Israeli policies to that of the Nazis.

He's talking about Untermensch - and not just the Hamas criminals of October 7th - while settlers seem quite happy to justify landgrabbing not just because of a supposed ancient right to the land but because they need living space. Lebensraum.

Lebensraum as a justification for Israeli settlements

We were fortunate when we occupied the West Bank because had we not done so, where would we have come to live? And who knows how high housing prices would have risen?
www.haaretz.com www.haaretz.com
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Not sure if you’re mistaking me for someone who defends the settler movement or thinks that their actions are in any way justifiable.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'd guess it's because 'decent nations' have suffered thousands of deaths and injuries after Islamist terrorist acts on 9/11, 7/7 and the Arena bombing.

Of course you can't wipe out an ideology but you can wipe out the infrastructure that supports the ideology.

Hamas have cynically hidden behind the people they're supposed to be representing and their hope is that the more of those innocents die, the better it will be for them, as the more the pressure will grow for a ceasefire that protects them. If they really cared about Gaza, they'd negotiate to give up their weapons and leave the area, allowing someone who does care more about the poor innocents to come to a political solution that stops the slaughter.
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I get the parallel with other Islamist terrorist groups, but surely the UK/US foreign policy direction of the last 20 years has taught us that kinetic military action doesn't really keep us safe or even particularly diminish the threat?
All these terrorist groups of course hide within the general population - in military terms pretty much an inoperable tumor. The collateral will simply act as a rallying point for other Islamists and create a generation of angry orphans that within a decade or so will be perpetuating attacks against Israel.
 
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