It’s Quiet 20 - What is the Wirtz that could happen?

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LongsightM13 said:
You could say it was negligent to choose to ignore the very public warnings of our best player, who subsequently suffered a serious and inevitable injury which has had disastrous sporting and financial consequences
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Only if you think it was ignored, I presume they thought about it and made a wrong choice ,it happens.
 
argyle said:
Many fans on here warn about a meltdown over nearly everything. We needed cover for KDB, we needed a left back, we needed a right back. We still won more than anyone else this last decade and therefore I'll trust and back those at the club over people on this forum.

The club needed a player who would be fine being on the bench for most of the time, considering Rodri is the best player in the world at that position. If it was easy to get a player decent enough to cover for him but also play second fiddle, then the club would have found that player.
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Just think how many premier leagues we’d have won if we’d had a bluemoan manager
 
argyle said:
Many fans on here warn about a meltdown over nearly everything. The club needed a player who would be fine being on the bench for most of the time, considering Rodri is the best player in the world at that position. If it was easy to get a player decent enough to cover for him but also play second fiddle, then the club would have found that player.
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I refer you to Rodri being suspended for 3 games after being sent of at the Etihad against Forest.

Rodri himself made a plea through the Mail & mentioned his heavy workload several times since. He wanted a break for the sake of his health.

Considering we've been playing 60+ matches per season at the highest level, a worthy player who can challenge, play with & rotate with Rodri can easily expect to play 40+ games per season. With the wages & infrastructure we can offer, I doubt any player who's confident in his ability would turn down such an opportunity.

Then there's the issue Pep mentioned last week, in that the CDM players we were looking at either cost too much or weren't available. Players are only worth what we're willing to pay & that judgement call is down to Txiki & Soriano.
 
I don’t really get what people think was realistically going to happen with our transfer business when it comes to cover for Rodri. It’s meaningless and glib to say City should have had players lined up on 1 January as the world doesn’t work like that. The club’s battling the 115 charges which, like it or not, may well have put a lot of players off. Add to that the fact that Guardiola’s coming the end of his time so that’s not the selling point it once was and any prospective holding midfielder would know, all things being equal, that Rodri’s first choice, therefore City may well have struggled to find someone of sufficient quality to join.

Like everyone of here, the club probably look at the players available and conclude that there’s no obvious standout candidate for whom we should break the bank, so any signing carries some risk. It’s not like loads of top-drawer holding midfielders have moved that City have missed out on. Just like us, the club probably has been stung by the experience with Phillips and Nunes, which may well have made them far more cautious.

It’s hard to stomach as supporters when we have to put up with poor results, but transfers are only one part of the club’s business and priorities, therefore, throwing words around like negligent is quite myopic because the board has to consider every aspect of the club’s finances and performance, not just results over the course of a few months. Clearly the club gambled to an extent by not refreshing the squad earlier, but Rodri being out for the season was worst case scenario, it wasn’t inevitable. I'm not sure there's any evidence that ACL injuries amongst footballers correlate with minutes played, but happy to be corrected if it is the case.

The biggest gamble might not have been failing to sign more players in the summer per se, but failing to recognise the unprecedented achievement of winning four titles in a row (and the treble) would inevitably precipitate a drop-off in performance. However, nobody really anticipated the extent of drop-off from the likes of De Bruyne, Gundogan, Silva, Walker etc. Or whatever's gone on with Grealish and, to an extent, Foden. Maybe City just need a fallow year.
 
pace89 said:
However, nobody really anticipated the extent of drop-off from the likes of De Bruyne, Gundogan, Silva, Walker etc. Or whatever's gone on with Grealish and, to an extent, Foden. Maybe City just need a fallow year.
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We had our warning when Rodri was out for three games following suspension 18 months ago. We failed to heed it.
 
Decent window that has to be said! Obviously they were making up for previous mistakes but credit where it's due.
Cut the new d.o.f teeth as well! Now get that top 4 and roll on the rest of the rebuild in the summer...
 
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pace89 said:
True, but we also won 3 games in a row at the start of this season without Rodri. It's a small sample size.
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Then look what's happened since? Many of us feared not having a Rodri backup, when it became clear during the treble season that Philips wasn't the answer.

We tried to make amends with Paqueta, but ended up panic buying the underwhelming Nunes. The rest as they say is history. Our current mess was set in motion from way back when mate...
 
Good old yellow pages.

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argyle said:
Reading a lot of over emotional posts on here describing our transfers over the last few years with words like disaster, shocking and negligence.

We're the reigning champions, we've just won 4 titles in a row, we've done a treble, achieved 100 points...

If we're shocking and negligent then what the f*ck is everyone else??
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Losers ?
 
argyle said:
It's been half a season. It's impossible to win things every single season.

Only to the most entitled can anything City have done be described as negligent and a collosal fuck up.

They may have made mistakes with who they brought in to cover for Rodri, but that's not negligent.
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Nobody is suggesting we have to win it every single season but this isn't a slight off season where we are bested by a better side in a close title race, we are 15 points off the top with a game more played, we are as close to 16th as we are 1st. for the reigning champions to be that far adrift something has to have gone really wrong. Anybody can and will make mistakes but the mistake was made 3 seasons ago, the refusal to rectify it since then is the negligent bit.

blueparrot said:
Doesn’t make it negligent, in fact. negligence is highly unlikely considering the people involved and what they have done the last 10 years. They obviously made a judgement last summer to wait a year to re build the squad they will have had a host of reasons for making that decision.
The fact a decisions doesn’t work out makes it a misjudgement not negligent, negligent would mean they never even considered it. I made some fuck ups in my business, not through negligence I just made a wrong choice.
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The judgement call was to have the entire season on Rodri slogging through another 60 game season. We don't know enough about ACL injuries to be able to say whether his fatigue had anything to do with it happening so we can only put it down to pure bad luck but we know from last year, the team crumbles without him and yet we still choose to gamble on that.

when you take a risk so big on something that the odds would suggest isn't likely to go how you want then that I'm afraid is negligence. Was it reasonably predictable that Rodri would be unable to play another 60+ game season? If the answer is yes, it's negligence.
 
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