It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

BrazilianBlue (Gus) said:
Well, if certain Brazilian players played in the Argentinian competitions, God knows how much better their numbers would fare…
I think you are the one who should revisit my posts about Darwin Núñez. I said a few times: he needs another season at Benfica to develop before a big move. Guess what, I was correct. I would say even his role in the Uruguay national team for the World Cup has expanded because of this smart career move. The teams that are after him now were not after him a summer ago. (Curious though as to why you, who joined the forum in January 2022, are referencing posts from almost a year before that date. New account?)
When exactly did I say anything negative about Enzo Fernandez? My comments have mostly been about the completely untrustworthy nature of the links that these aggregators are pushing. I said again and again, he is a good player. Do I think he is ready to play for a top European team? Depends which one. Again, this isn’t controversial given his age. But I am an admirer.
You should take a hard look at yourself before using the term “ethnolinguistic bias” so carelessly again. If you knew anything about Brazilian football fans, is that we are harder on Brazilian players than any others. I’ve lost count of how many times I have had to defend Ederson against stupid criticism from fellow Brazilian City fans. Not to mention the way Jesus is treated, and how many have wanted him out of the club for awhile. You conveniently left out the few times that I myself recommended against certain Brazilian players linked to us in the past, of course.
Go read my post again and maybe then you will be able to interpret it like a functional human being. I said that because Kayky has been in our training sessions, has travelled with the squad and featured in a couple of games, not to mention played for the Academy against teams that play like English teams, and for our own Academy team that play like ours (he scored an important goal yesterday in case you don’t know, helping us win the title), he is more settled than any player that hasn’t ever left South America (and I won’t even specify the country as it’s completely irrelevant… Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay… whatever). That doesn’t mean anything about him though; I am not claiming he IS ready, in fact, I don’t think he is. I meant “EVEN HE” is more ready as he is already settled.

Now, seriously, what the fuck is this: “You can not legitimately claim that Kayky who is quite clearly not rated by Pep, according to his recent comments about our bench strength”? Is this supposed to be a serious inference from you? I refuse to believe it
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Holy great wall of text, Batman!

GuS, you are the epitome of TLDR.
 
Plays By Sense Of Smell said:
Things I like here:
So many of the goals go into the side or corner.
So many of the shots especially with the one on ones, he lifts a little bit to make it more difficult for the low-set keeper.
That kun-like side step which creates space for a shot/to go past his man.
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Definitely. I would add to that the lack of back-lift before a shot, goalies don’t quite know when the shot is coming, never mind which direction. Very Kun-like!
 
Damocles said:
I usually agree with your opinions on football as we think very similarly but I'm not with you on this one. I think he's ready now. In fact I've been surprised with how low key the reaction to the signing has been as I think we've signed one of the best youngsters in the world who is going to be an absolute superstar for us. People talking about him like he's Kayky or Palmer are nuts. He's closer to Haaland than Palmer, he's a first team regular and an Argentinian international. He's not coming as a youth player

You're right that he's not Aguero and basically only gets that comparison because he's Argentinian. And you're right that Aguero was much more proven than Alvarez is. But when I watch him, I see a kid who has everything he needs to succeed in this team and his movement is light years ahead of other players in the team. I really think he'll shock people with his goal contributions in the first season. Haaland is obviously going to be the main man but if Alvarez gets 20 in all competitions, I wouldn't drop dead from shock.
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I hope you're right but I can't see him adapting to living in a new country, playing in such a competitive league and adapting to Pep's style within a season
 
doobyedoobye said:
I hope you're right but I can't see him adapting to living in a new country, playing in such a competitive league and adapting to Pep's style within a season
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We could and prob did say this about Gabby and he was fine.
 
Thought about it during the game but you could see how things got stale after Kev went off there. We really do need another number 8 in his ilk, an attacking no 8 instead of a ball recycler.

Either Phil graduates there next season or we need to buy another IMO.
 
K-Bo said:
Thought about it during the game but you could see how things got stale after Kev went off there. We really do need another number 8 in his ilk, an attacking no 8 instead of a ball recycler.

Either Phil graduates there next season or we need to buy another IMO.
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the game got stale because we were 5-1 up and have a CL semi final on tuesday, hope that helps
 
Lalaie said:
It does prove that on the basis of goals and assits, he currently shits over any other Brazlian from under 22.

There is a pattern here, revisit your post from few months ago where you said that Nunez was only good enough for the likes of West Ham, and all of a sudden now he can play for PSG and could be the next Cavani! Repeated the same rehearsed nonsense when we got linked with Enzo Fernández.

Either you are not an expert on South American players or you suffer from ethnolinguistic bias, take your pick. You can not legitimately claim that Kayky who is quite clearly not rated by Pep, according to his recent comments about our bench strength, is "more ready" than Alvarez, and then just don't go into defensive mode when someone highlights it.
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Totally agree with this post.
Let’s face it Gus mate, you have no fucking idea how either Kayky or Alvarez will turn out for City.
Personally I put my trust in MCFC’s scouting structure to spot talent anywhere in the world, be it Europe or South America.
Quite honestly I find your posts condescending (I refer to Gus btw)
I suppose the likes of Tevez and Aguero were also unproven when they played in S America yet I seem to remember they turned out ok in the premiership.
Stop digging holes for yourself Gus man…you have no idea how these guys will turn out and nor do any of us.
 
I hope we keep Jesus and Zinchenko. Both will be greatly missed imo.

My out list is ...
1. Mendy obviously
2. Sterling

My in list is ...
1. Haaland obviously
2. A RB. Urgently need a Walker equivalent.
3. Alvarez
4. Fernandinho replacement- if he must go.

Do we have the space in the squad for 2 extras?
 
Burtonblue said:
I suppose the likes of Tevez and Aguero were also unproven when they played in S America yet I seem to remember they turned out ok in the premiership.
Stop digging holes for yourself Gus man…you have no idea how these guys will turn out and nor do any of us.
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Tevez had experience of a slow season at West Ham before he moved to United. Aguero had years at Atletico, therefore having European experience. I am giving out an opinion backed by clear points. Feel free to disagree! I do not understand, however, the necessity to go around calling me condescending. I wasn’t being disrespectful
 
BrazilianBlue (Gus) said:
Tevez had experience of a slow season at West Ham before he moved to United. Aguero had years at Atletico, therefore having European experience. I am giving out an opinion backed by clear points. Feel free to disagree! I do not understand, however, the necessity to go around calling me condescending. I wasn’t being disrespectful
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But you appear to be quite happy to “do down” our signings and suggest you have superior knowledge to probably one if not the best scouting organisation around.
Let’s face it, they’ve not got many things wrong in the past decade or so have they?
Maybe they should sound you out first as you appear to have such in depth knowledge.
As for comparing S American leagues to European leagues I have literally no idea how that relates to individual players performance and potential nor surely should anyone for certain.
 
Asa's left peg said:
Was just thinking, I miss Sunday Supplement ! Don't you?
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I think Sky have really dropped a bollock by cancelling that show.

The talking points on that show often dictated the football football talking points both in real life and on social media up until the Super Sunday game.

I get the new owners might not want to give airtime to rival media companies, but that show often set the football agenda and was free advertising for Sky really.
 
Burtonblue said:
But you appear to be quite happy to “do down” our signings and suggest you have superior knowledge to probably one if not the best scouting organisation around.
Let’s face it, they’ve not got many things wrong in the past decade or so have they?
Maybe they should sound you out first as you appear to have such in depth knowledge.
As for comparing S American leagues to European leagues I have literally no idea how that relates to individual players performance and potential nor surely should anyone for certain.
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My friend, it seems you are misunderstanding my points. I am not “doing down” Alvarez, all I am saying is that people should manage their expectations about HIS START with us because I am reading a lot of wild predictions and expectations that are, above all, unfair to the player, who will need to be given time to settle. And I say this not thinking that I have “superior knowledge” than the club, quite the opposite, but rather being sure that this slow approach will be the one taken by Pep with him, hence why I compare him to Ferran Torres, who was also given spare opportunities in his first season, and in his second, had he not have had an injury and had stayed, would have been given even more.
When I compare the Argentinian league vs the Premier League (not to mention continental cups), it’s because everything is EXTREMELY different. The level of defending, the tactical organization of all teams, the overall quality of players, among other factors, is from almost another world. Alvarez will get used to it with time and I suspect will EVENTUALLY fully catch up, but it NATURALLY won’t be immediate, especially as Pep will slowly AND SMARTLY ease him in. It’s not like even in the River Plate first team he started at this best level right away.
I hope I have clarified MY perspective, which you don’t have to agree with, but which I have not delivered in the tone that you seem to be assuming
 
Tell you what Gus, you like a long post fella......
 
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