Fordyboy46
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Mate, even if Bernie goes I think a new full back would be the only player arriving, and I still wouldn't put 50p on that happening. Three weeks left to get that complete squad, come on Txiki and Co get working
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It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread
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richards30
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He'd provide a bit of what we are lacking the wide positions in providing width on the right. Not the kind of deal we'd go for though I'd imagine.
Can't imagine Chelsea being as charitable to a rival team as we have been this summer either.
Yeah probably true mate. I’d personally love Davies at bayern for LB and he could also play further forward wide for us as well if required? Plenty of pace as well which is something we lack at times.
Palmer is a first team squad player, 100%. There is no doubt about that.
You've obviously not watched Kayky besides Youtube highlights, as he's shown nothing at all to suggest he would play for any PL team, let alone ours. He would have to stay for 2 more years to be club trained as he only joined last summer.
Is he fuck. The fact he didn't even have enough appearences for a Premier League medal says he is a promising kid, and that's all. He may surprise a few, including myself, he may get a few more appearances than last season (with a squald of 19, you'd bloody hope so). But he certainly is not a first team player by even the wildest stretches of imagination.
Don't disagree with Kayky as much, and you are right re CT, however the 3rd year can come a year later without taking a CL squad if he stays this season. Where as if he doesn't, it can't.
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang
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Not down to them. If the player is on the final year of his contract and doesn't want to stay then Chelsea have no choice but to sell. Not the worse idea as he is a pacey wide player and we could do with that right now.He'd provide a bit of what we are lacking the wide positions in providing width on the right. Not the kind of deal we'd go for though I'd imagine.
Can't imagine Chelsea being as charitable to a rival team as we have been this summer either.
Sometimes, I think people assume that a 'won' game will feature wholesale changes for youngsters where I am talking about one or two, but that it is a regular feature of our season. For example, if we begin cup games with nine regular first team players, one attacker and one defender from the academy, I do not see it as such a risk. If those Academy players are then replaced by another two Academy players (on 75m), assuming we are comfortable, then I do not see the risk. Equally, those players need to have earned that chance.We agree in general. Although admittedly, some of those players you mention are just names to me, take your word for it.
Youth players don't just get thrown into a season like that, they gradually build up minutes, in a full team. So I don't expect names that haven't yet featured for us to just come into the team. Kayky had 2 appearances that I remember. Palmer had a few too, 4 in the league. Both of them you can expect to have a few more. Others, need to have those 2 or 4 first.
I've seen quite a few people claim we will use kids when league games are won in 60 minutes. I find that a bit presumptuous myself. Both that many games will be won like that, and that Pep would then use kids there.
Who employs the agents?Players and sense don't necessarily go together however Agents should know better but I suppose a percentage of everything they get the player to do helps them fill their pockets and 'best interest' of the player is likely a out money for all parties these days.
To 99% of players it's a job, playing for a club shirt is nothing , they do it for the cash.
Centurions
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Yeah, you're right. It's not like he missed most of the season injured is it...Is he fuck. The fact he didn't even have enough appearences for a Premier League medal says he is a promising kid, and that's all. He may surprise a few, including myself, he may get a few more appearances than last season (with a squald of 19, you'd bloody hope so). But he certainly is not a first team player by even the wildest stretches of imagination.
Don't disagree with Kayky as much, and you are right re CT, however the 3rd year can come a year later without taking a CL squad if he stays this season. Where as if he doesn't, it can't.
Didn't realise he only had a year left. Assumed he would have longer because the links I've seen with other clubs are for a loan move.Not down to them. If the player is on the final year of his contract and doesn't want to stay then Chelsea have no choice but to sell. Not the worse idea as he is a pacey wide player and we could do with that right now.
I think it would be a good move for us and make the squad a lot more balanced.
No idea if the club rate him though.
Edit - apparently has 2 years left.
The decision on captain is not such a big thing for Pep, and never has been. He lets the players choose but we also need to recognise that what is said to the media is often not quite what is happening - he is naturally quite guarded with them.
As for squad size, we are light at full-back only. An addition of one or two will mitigate that completely, or a decision to promote Lewis and JWE properly will do the same. Personally, I would be happy with that - we know that Walker and Cancelo are first choice, as they were last season. I am confident that Palmer and Alvarez can fill the gap left by Raz and that Erling fills the gap left by Gabby, as does Phillips for Fern.
As for squad size, we are light at full-back only. An addition of one or two will mitigate that completely, or a decision to promote Lewis and JWE properly will do the same. Personally, I would be happy with that - we know that Walker and Cancelo are first choice, as they were last season. I am confident that Palmer and Alvarez can fill the gap left by Raz and that Erling fills the gap left by Gabby, as does Phillips for Fern.
Sometimes, I think people assume that a 'won' game will feature wholesale changes for youngsters where I am talking about one or two, but that it is a regular feature of our season. For example, if we begin cup games with nine regular first team players, one attacker and one defender from the academy, I do not see it as such a risk. If those Academy players are then replaced by another two Academy players (on 75m), assuming we are comfortable, then I do not see the risk. Equally, those players need to have earned that chance.
We had 2 games in a row where we were 5-0 and 5-1 up last season, and Pep didn't put a fit Palmer, who needed one more appearance to qualify for a PL medal, on even for a minute. That tells you there will be no sentiment, no looking to manage youth at the expense of the game in hand and no sympathy.
While the point you made is valid, I hope that this season is one where Palmer will make that breakthrough. We will see.We had 2 games in a row where we were 5-0 and 5-1 up last season, and Pep didn't put a fit Palmer, who needed one more appearance to qualify for a PL medal, on even for a minute. That tells you there will be no sentiment, no looking to manage youth at the expense of the game in hand and no sympathy.
I really think Citys transfer policy is doing a total disservice to Pep and putting him under unneccessary pressure. When after winning a title have City had a good transfer window?. It was the same when we needed a centre back and a forward it takes too long to get resolved and this issue with the left back is farcial. Pep wont be with City forever and this stubborn transfer policy is only helping our opponents and giving Pep unneccessary problems.
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang
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Curb your enthusiasm about Palmer, from his YouTube highlights its clear to see that he has the potential to be one of the stars in the future but there are lots of factors that come into play in order for a player to accomplish his potential. We should just enjoy the baby steps he takes on the road to accomplishing his potential, if he gets there then we can look back at his journey with happiness but for now, I personally have no expectations.Yeah, you're right. It's not like he missed most of the season injured is it...
Kamaro011
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I really think Citys transfer policy is doing a total disservice to Pep and putting him under unneccessary pressure. When after winning a title have City had a good transfer window?. It was the same when we needed a centre back and a forward it takes too long to get resolved and this issue with the left back is farcial. Pep wont be with City forever and this stubborn transfer policy is only helping our opponents and giving Pep unneccessary problems.
And you think that City should just pay whatever money that selling club asked for?, If we are going to that policy we will be fold faster than you can say "typical city".
Until the sale of Zinchenko, and the break-down of the deal with Cucurella, nearly everyone was saying that this was a perfect window. It depends on your view of whether it was right to walk away from the Cucu deal as Zinchenko had obviously decided to move on.I really think Citys transfer policy is doing a total disservice to Pep and putting him under unneccessary pressure. When after winning a title have City had a good transfer window?. It was the same when we needed a centre back and a forward it takes too long to get resolved and this issue with the left back is farcial. Pep wont be with City forever and this stubborn transfer policy is only helping our opponents and giving Pep unneccessary problems.
We cannot really criticise when we have bought the leading young forward in world football, the South American footballer of the year and the England player of the year, to add to a league winning team.
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang
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We can't spend on a fresh starting 11 every new season. The transfer policy has been perfect, maybe we could do with one more player (either a wide player or a fullback) but so far its been good.I really think Citys transfer policy is doing a total disservice to Pep and putting him under unneccessary pressure. When after winning a title have City had a good transfer window?. It was the same when we needed a centre back and a forward it takes too long to get resolved and this issue with the left back is farcial. Pep wont be with City forever and this stubborn transfer policy is only helping our opponents and giving Pep unneccessary problems.
While the point you made is valid, I hope that this season is one where Palmer will make that breakthrough. We will see.
Look, so do I, 100%. Please do not mistake my reactions to what I think is over-hyping him as not rating his potential or not wanting the best for him. He is a promising kid no doubt, he will have some contribution no doubt, and will develop. People are treating him like Foden of last season though but he is some way away from that, and Foden got there gradually, Palmer is just at the very start of that.
Yeah, you're right. It's not like he missed most of the season injured is it...
He didn't. He was fit and available for a lot more than he was out. He had an injury that had him out a number of weeks, but the excuse is exaggerated. He didn't feature because Pep wanted to win games and knew who in the squad he wanted to use for that, and this season for the most part, that won't change. Palmer had to and still has to be patient and build and show what he can do in the games he gets.
We agree. I thought your point was clear and we both want to see young players given a chance. If our glasses were side by side, they would have the same drink in, but mine may be just a bit fuller than yours, that's all!Look, so do I, 100%. Please do not mistake my reactions to what I think is over-hyping him as not rating his potential or not wanting the best for him. He is a promising kid no doubt, he will have some contribution no doubt, and will develop. People are treating him like Foden of last season though but he is some way away from that, and Foden got there gradually, Palmer is just at the very start of that.
We agree. I thought your point was clear and we both want to see young players given a chance. If our glasses were side by side, they would have the same drink in, but mine may be just a bit fuller than yours, that's all!
Well put. Slange.