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meeesh said:
So three or four years,mmmm,ok so that would include the 2014/15 season,wonder who won golden glove that season,mmmm,let me think.................,oh but shit yea I forgot,that was a joint award for all the defence that season,I remember now,pfftttt.............fucking bollocks
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When was the last time he had a blinder?
 
Really interesting that Barca are going all in on Dembele. I watched almost every Dortmund game in the Bundesliga last season and he was the one BvB player, aside from Weigl, that consistently looked like he should be playing at a higher level (preferably with us)

meeesh said:
Too many to mention,I ain't blocking this video posting thread up anyway,I've had my say on Joe many times,best keeper we have had in the modern era,that's all you need to think about
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Joe's definitely a legend and among our best keepers in history, but it's time to move on. Last season he was the most error-prone goalkeeper in Italy and among the worst in Europe, yes even worse than Bravo. His poor form has continued in the international arena and relying on him even as a backup would be too big a gamble at this stage. Indeed, it's telling that nobody wants to commit to buying him.
 
I agree with those that state Hart has declined, however I maintain he would still have been better than that useless turd we had in net last season. What Hart isn't, is the future but that doesn't mean we should forget the past. Hart has on the whole been an excellent servant for our club and I am surprised some are trying to wipe that from the history books. Hart didn't want to leave, he didn't kick up a fuss, nor has he bad-mouthed the club since he left. He is the best keeper I have seen at this club and by a significant margin. If Ederson turns out to be as good as Hart was in his prime I wont see that as a bad thing.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
I agree with those that state Hart has declined, however I maintain he would still have been better than that useless turd we had in net last season. What Hart isn't, is the future but that doesn't mean we should forget the past. Hart has on the whole been an excellent servant for our club and I am surprised some are trying to wipe that from the history books. Hart didn't want to leave, he didn't kick up a fuss, nor has he bad-mouthed the club since he left. He is the best keeper I have seen at this club and by a significant margin. If Ederson turns out to be as good as Hart was in his prime I wont see that as a bad thing.
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He also NEVER let them in on purpose!!!!
 
meeesh said:
Too many to mention,I ain't blocking this video posting thread up anyway,I've had my say on Joe many times,best keeper we have had in the modern era,that's all you need to think about
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Zab has been the best right back we have had in the modern era, doesn't mean it was wrong to get rid of him.
Joe was a fine player for us but it's pretty clear he has dropped his level a bit and he needs a new start
 
OrigamiNinja said:
I agree with those that state Hart has declined, however I maintain he would still have been better than that useless turd we had in net last season. What Hart isn't, is the future but that doesn't mean we should forget the past. Hart has on the whole been an excellent servant for our club and I am surprised some are trying to wipe that from the history books. Hart didn't want to leave, he didn't kick up a fuss, nor has he bad-mouthed the club since he left. He is the best keeper I have seen at this club and by a significant margin. If Ederson turns out to be as good as Hart was in his prime I wont see that as a bad thing.
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I agree,this re-writing history if you don't like the player/manager is something i just can't do and i'm surprised to see it written by blues
 
I think people are putting far too much emphasis on Joe Hart's ability (although that was clearly a factor in him being pushed out last season). Anybody who has spent anytime in his company (which I have, albeit briefly) will know he is an utter bellend. I always have to laugh when I hear everyone slagging off Nasri and assainating his character. From personal experience, I can tell you Samir is a far nicer human being than Joe hart will ever be. I would be absolutely amazed if Pep wasn't given a heads up about Hart's character a long time before he arrived.
 
Cityfan said:
Zab has been the best right back we have had in the modern era, doesn't mean it was wrong to get rid of him.
Joe was a fine player for us but it's pretty clear he has dropped his level a bit and he needs a new start
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I get what you are saying,but sorry mate,same doesn't apply to goalkeepers really,they can and normally do go on for years,Sagna was a more than capable backup/replacement for Zab when required,which keeper challenged Joe ? None cause none where capable,he was replaced by someone who was meant to be better and fit the system...............we all know how that panned out
 
Roy Munson said:
I think people are putting far too much emphasis on Joe Hart's ability (although that was clearly a factor in him being pushed out last season). Anybody who has spent anytime in his company (which I have, albeit briefly) will know he is an utter bellend. I always have to laugh when I hear everyone slagging off Nasri and assainating his character. From personal experience, I can tell you Samir is a far nicer human being than Joe hart will ever be. I would be absolutely amazed if Pep wasn't given a heads up about Hart's character a long time before he arrived.
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You've hit the nail on the head. I heard from someone quite senior at the club that a decision was made to remove Hart from the dressing room. I wasn't told why but I was told it wasn't Peps decision.
 
Roy Munson said:
I think people are putting far too much emphasis on Joe Hart's ability (although that was clearly a factor in him being pushed out last season). Anybody who has spent anytime in his company (which I have, albeit briefly) will know he is an utter bellend. I always have to laugh when I hear everyone slagging off Nasri and assainating his character. From personal experience, I can tell you Samir is a far nicer human being than Joe hart will ever be. I would be absolutely amazed if Pep wasn't given a heads up about Hart's character a long time before he arrived.
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Met him twice, granted they were just brief meetings but he came across as a nice fella. Perhaps I'm just a bad judge of character.
 
meeesh said:
I get what you are saying,but sorry mate,same doesn't apply to goalkeepers really,they can and normally do go on for years,Sagna was a more than capable backup/replacement for Zab when required,which keeper challenged Joe ? None cause none where capable,he was replaced by someone who was meant to be better and fit the system...............we all know how that panned out
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It's funny you mention no one challenging Hart, because he had to be dropped twice - once for Pantilimon, once for Caballero - because he'd lost form.

What other keeper in the world, supposedly one of the best, needs to be periodically dropped in order to keep performances high and stop complacency setting in?

I've never known De Gea, Cech, Courtois, Lloris, Buffon, Neuer, ter Stegen etc. to be dropped because their coaches think they need a wake-up call.

I loved Joe for years, but when he leaves and you see him play in a different shirt, the blue-tinted specs come off, and you can see that actually there's a reason why no one outside City fans ever really thought he was one of the worlds best. You see how he did actually make a lot of clangers that he was forgiven for because of the occasional game where no one got past him from close range.

IMO Hart was a good keeper for us, but I see why Mancini wanted Begovic, and why Pellegrini wanted Caballero, and why Pep finally got rid of him. I believe he lacked the fundamental skill that the worlds greatest players have, improving your weaknesses. He never fixed the problem down to his left, he never got better at dealing with long range efforts and he never improved with his feet. He did this because he didn't need to, he was guaranteed to be Man City's #1 and that was enough.

So he stayed at the level he was at until a coach arrived who thought that being so bad with your feet in 2016 was not acceptable, a conclusion even Mancini reached if you believe the rumours, although with Pep, he came up against a manager who hadn't made enemies of his superiors and took his side.

He will be remembered as part of the great Mancini team, a great performer in our early CL days when others went missing, but I think when he goes to a PL team next season more of his defenders on here will see what he is without the tinted specs, a flawed player despite everything great he did for us.
 
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Rolee said:
Met him twice, granted they were just brief meetings but he came across as a nice fella. Perhaps I'm just a bad judge of character.
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Judging character can always be a pretty subjective thing mate. Chances are, if you met me, you would think I was a c**t! :-)
 
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