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[Dribble]

does a premier league club have to play players under contract






No, Premier League clubs are not obligated to play players under contract. However, there are important rules and consequences surrounding squad selection and player contracts
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Here's a breakdown:

• 25-Man Squad: Premier League clubs must submit a squad list of up to 25 players after each transfer window closes.
• Contracted Players Not in Squad: A player can be under contract with a club but not be included in the official 25-man Premier League squad.
• Consequences for the Player:Being excluded from the squad can significantly impact a player's career, including reduced playing time, missed bonuses, and potential difficulty attracting future transfers.
  • Potential Legal Ramifications for the Club: If a player is excluded from the squad without a valid reason, they might have grounds to claim constructive dismissal or other breaches of contract. FIFA regulations even allow players to terminate their contracts under certain conditions if they are consistently not playing.
  • Motivation for Clubs to Move Players On: Clubs often prefer to offload players who are not part of their plans through transfers or mutual termination agreements, according to the BBC.
• In essence, clubs have the autonomy to decide which players they select for their squad and playing time, but they must be mindful of the legal and financial implications of sidelining contracted players

Basically what I found out earlier. No one can force us to register & play a player, but if we don't, we're in potential breach of contract which will open a whole can of worms we don't need right now.

This is all I asked as a hypothetical earlier, & no one (including me) definitively knew the answer, hence my Google search.

The question now is, if the worst comes to the worst & players deemed surplus to requirements decline to leave, what then? Who doesn't get registered? This is a potential hypothetical dilemma that we could face.

I just hope there's enough love & respect between the club & those players with no future at City, that they move on quietly with our best wishes.

 

[Coatigan]

I understand all of that. My point is simple. We have space for 17 non-HG player in a squad of 25. If the old guard refuse to leave, either they or our new buys with a future at City cannot be registered. What about that don't you understand?

In the hypothetical case of this happening, I asked the question what would happen contractually if we didn't register to play, those players we want rid of? According to the sports law firms I looked on earlier, those players have contractual rights to be registered & to play.

If this is the case & those deemed surplus to requirements refuse to leave, tell me, what then?

According to the law firms I looked on earlier - it is moot.

 

[Dribble]

As far as John boy is concerned I'm afraid his reliability during his career with us is simply appalling given there has been no major injury. Too big a risk now hence the superabundance of CBs - none of whom are as talented. A real dilemma for Pep and the club.

We all love John Stones, but if it comes to it, I truly hope he understands that we're being reasonable if we believe he can't be relied upon for probably his last contracted season with Manchester City.

However, with it being a WC year, will he see it as one which he'll want to go out on a high with City & England? Will he be fretting that a move to Everton etc, will jeopardise his WC place, hence him wanting to stay put?

 

[CΛL]

does a premier league club have to play players under contract






No, Premier League clubs are not obligated to play players under contract. However, there are important rules and consequences surrounding squad selection and player contracts
.
Here's a breakdown:

• 25-Man Squad: Premier League clubs must submit a squad list of up to 25 players after each transfer window closes.
• Contracted Players Not in Squad: A player can be under contract with a club but not be included in the official 25-man Premier League squad.
• Consequences for the Player:Being excluded from the squad can significantly impact a player's career, including reduced playing time, missed bonuses, and potential difficulty attracting future transfers.
  • Potential Legal Ramifications for the Club: If a player is excluded from the squad without a valid reason, they might have grounds to claim constructive dismissal or other breaches of contract. FIFA regulations even allow players to terminate their contracts under certain conditions if they are consistently not playing.
  • Motivation for Clubs to Move Players On: Clubs often prefer to offload players who are not part of their plans through transfers or mutual termination agreements, according to the BBC.
• In essence, clubs have the autonomy to decide which players they select for their squad and playing time, but they must be mindful of the legal and financial implications of sidelining contracted players

Realistically, if the club are upfront and tell certain players they have no future, then the players in question have no grounds to argue if they force to stay

 

[Dribble]

According to the law firms I looked on earlier - it is moot.

But still possible. That's the question I asked earlier. Thanks for confirming what I found out.

 

[Coatigan]

But still possible. That's the question I asked earlier. Thanks for confirming what I found out.

Lots of things are possible.

 

[LongsightM13]

We all love John Stones, but if it comes to it, I truly hope he understands that we're being reasonable if we believe he can't be relied upon for probably his last contracted season with Manchester City.

However, with it being a WC year, will he see it as one which he'll want to go out on a high with City & England? Will he be fretting that a move to Everton etc, will jeopardise his WC place, hence him wanting to stay put?

Like Ellen White and the City women’s team, the suspicion is that Stonesy is sadly now just using us to be fit for England. While expecting us to pay his big wages in the meantime
Time to say goodbye
We can’t carry passengers like that

 

[Dribble]

Lots of things are possible.

That's the hypothetical I was asking.

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

Stones/ Grealish/ Ake are home grown and not competing with Reis/ Khusanov/ Echeverri for the slots.

The spot they need is covet is blocked by Akanji/ Kovacic/ Ortega/ Ederson/ Gundogan.

So keeping Reis/ Khusanov/ Echeverri is a lot easier than people think..

 

[LongsightM13]

Clearly the conversations were not harsh enough. Imagine your boss is telling you that you have to let go of a few employees as a team leader, and after the said conversations, the employees go out and say how happy they are to stay. Something has been mishandled if that's the outcome, that's for sure.

It’s the 4th day of August ffs

 

[ninjamonkey]

You are right, we can.

But that is something people argue every bloody year, and are always wrong.

We didn't do it with Zinchenko, Angelino, Savinho, Sane, Balotelli... and so many others.

The club build a squad to comply with the CL squad make-up, and not leave players out. Which in turn by default complies with PL rules.

We've had a smaller than permitted squad for the last few years so not sure how anybody has been suggesting we could have a bigger than allowed squad by leaving youngsters out of the CL squad every year.

You said pep might want to keep him around as a wildcard option in a stacked position, if thats the case, he can for the league and he wouldn't be registered for a competition that he wouldn't be playing in anyway if he goes out on loan to Girona or Roma. I dont think thats anything far-fetched.

If he goes out on loan, which I expect to happen, it's because thats been deemed best for his development rather than any notion of our hand being forced as to comply with squad restrictions.

I personally think a loan is the best bet with youngsters coming in from South America or anywhere outside of europe. A year to find their feet, settle into European football, adjust to living in a different continent etc

 

[LongsightM13]

You are right, we can.

But that is something people argue every bloody year, and are always wrong.

We didn't do it with Zinchenko, Angelino, Savinho, Sane, Balotelli... and so many others.

The club build a squad to comply with the CL squad make-up, and not leave players out. Which in turn by default complies with PL rules.

No personal dig at the person you’re conversing with here, but speaking generally, I’m increasingly questioning if even half of the idiots on this thread are even blues, or just WUMs
Some of the hypothetical scenarios they’re raising in this thread are frankly insane
It’a not even a week into August and some of these rubes are freaking out, losing their minds
Fucking hell, the absolute state of them

 

[BluestBlue]

Sorry, but that doesn't answer the question. I'm talking about the here & now. Players like Ederson, Gundog, Grealish & Stones etc.

What do we do if those older players deemed surplus to requirements & who're under contract, refuse to leave? What then?

We can't register them all & we're only allowed up to 17 non-HG players out of a maximum squad of 25. We've already had players many expected to leave this summer, reportedly rejecting interest in them from other clubs & state they're staying.

Find out next time on Dragonball Z !

 

[1961_vintage]

No personal dig at the person you’re conversing with here, but speaking generally, I’m increasingly questioning if even half of the idiots on this thread are even blues, or just WUMs
Some of the hypothetical scenarios they’re raising in this thread are frankly insane
It’a not even a week into August and some of these rubes are freaking out, losing their minds
Fucking hell, the absolute state of them

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Only some of the above is true.

 

[Coatigan]

We've had a smaller than permitted squad for the last few years so not sure how anybody has been suggesting we could have a bigger than allowed squad by leaving youngsters out of the CL squad every year.

We have, but by the end of each window. Till then, those discussions happened, just as they are now. I seem to argue that point every year, the 'Oh we can just leave such and such out of the CL squad,we don't need to trim the squad'. Then we trim the squad. Or simply don't add any more 'bm wishlist' players.

You said pep might want to keep him around as a wildcard option in a stacked position, if thats the case, he can for the league and he wouldn't be registered for a competition that he wouldn't be playing in anyway if he goes out on loan to Girona or Roma. I dont think thats anything far-fetched.

Don't disagree, but I maintain if we do keep him, we'd try find a place for him in all competitions. As we always have done before. But I have also previously claimed that if there is One player that might be kept in the PL only, Echeverri wouldn't be a huge shock, so not a hill I'd die on.

If he goes out on loan, which I expect to happen, it's because thats been deemed best for his development rather than any notion of our hand being forced as to comply with squad restrictions.

Not contesting his development will be a key consideration. Both reasons would well be true and play their part. But it is definitely true that we need to address a squad size issue, and a loan helps, so the previous suggestion it is purely based on one with no thought to the other, can't really be right.

I personally think a loan is the best bet with youngsters coming in from South America or anywhere outside of europe. A year to find their feet, settle into European football, adjust to living in a different continent etc

I disagree on this point, myself. Would rather see them stay. Loans away at this stage for whatever reason very very rarely work out, as we have seen so if they have a future here and the promise of their combined 50 something million really is there, I'd rather see them in tge first team now. At the expense of Akanji, Gundo, etc.

 

[Coatigan]

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If enough people subscribe then Subscribers may get a kind of personal moderator concierge service (Superbia option I think) to filter out some of the shite so that those kind of posts are far less annoying.

Only some of the above is true.

Lol, which bit would that be?

 

[Coatigan]

That's the hypothetical I was asking.

And the reason nobody can seem to come up with an answer, or care about it, is because it is a hypothetical, and one that never seems to happen anywhere really. So doubt it would here and now with us, but happy to revisit in a month.

Surprised it hasn't happened at Chelsea yet tbf, in the last couple of monopoly transfer seasons.

 

[Dribble]

And the reason nobody can seem to come up with an answer, or care about it, is because it is a hypothetical, and one that never seems to happen anywhere really. So doubt it would here and now with us, but happy to revisit in a month.

Surprised it hasn't happened at Chelsea yet tbf, in the last couple of monopoly transfer seasons.

I asked hypothetically not because I thought this situation was a distinct possibility at City this summer, but out of general interest & as a just in case.

For a question nobody cared about, quite a few commented on it. Who'd have guessed hey? All the same, I like others I guess, have gained additional knowledge... Something we're never too old to do.

You never know, it might be a clincher in a pub quiz for you some day. No need to thank me... ;-)

 

[Coatigan]

I asked hypothetically not because I thought this situation was a distinct possibility at City this summer, but out of general interest & as a just in case.

For a question nobody cared about, quite a few commented on it. Who'd have guessed hey? All the same, I like others I guess, have gained additional knowledge... Something we're never too old to do.

You never know, it might be a clincher in a pub quiz for you some day. No need to thank me... ;-)

Doubt it will be on a pub quiz lol, but if it does help - in 2016/17 Pep did indeed omit Yaya Toure from the champions league squad. We had one player too many and he, despite his contract, wage and profile, was the one that didn't get registered. His agent kicked up a fuss, Yaya half apologised for it, but it did happen and in terms of legalities and rights, it seemed to be all above board. So I'm sure that mechanism does exist, as does the choice whether or not to play players in any competition.

Not that I think for a second we would find ourselves in that position.

 

[mattcity5]

Doubt it will be on a pub quiz lol, but if it does help - in 2016/17 Pep did indeed omit Yaya Toure from the champions league squad. We had one player too many and he, despite his contract, wage and profile, was the one that didn't get registered. His agent kicked up a fuss, Yaya half apologised for it, but it did happen and in terms of legalities and rights, it seemed to be all above board. So I'm sure that mechanism does exist, as does the choice whether or not to play players in any competition.

Not that I think for a second we would find ourselves in that position.

All of our players are well paid. I imagine at that time Yaya would have took a pay cut if he left, so while a bit pissed off about it he was probably happy to take the money still.

I think the only time it could end up an issue would be if we leave the player out of our squads and they have an improved contract offer on the table at another club, but we don't let them go. Like you said, very unlikely really.