It's Quiet the £250m return

There are members on this forum who're like post forensics. We all see & sense things differently, so if there are any post forensics out there who'd like to check, they'll see my posts from a year ago where after never saying a negative word about Guardiola (CL final against Chelsea apart), my patience began to wear thin with him.

1. His failure to see our squad needed to evolve which he declined to do (his admission)

2. The annual "will he, won't he" extend his contract for another two years.

Everything I've highlighted today in isolation is barely worth mentioning. However, when strung together in a timeline, I'd be kidding myself not to think there's more going on behind the scenes than most people think.

There's not one thing I mentioned that's made up. Only one could be cast as speculation (today's tweet about Viana & summer transfer decisions), but when considered in the context of what else is going on at my club, I'm not going to stick my fingers in my ears, scrunch up my eyes & refuse to acknowledge the picture that's emerging once I've connected the dots.

I'm not one for CONspiracy theories or hyperbole, but I am a person who takes keen notice of patterns & frequencies, & in that respect my Spidey senses are tingling. I repeat, I get a deep deep sense that all isn't well behind the scenes at Manchester City regarding Pep Guardiola.

I can't recall a manager sacking his whole backroom team himself. If anyone else can, please tell me.

We all know Pep loves a small elite squad. He "jokingly" threatened to quit 6 months ago, unless his squad was drastically cut by the end of the summer window.

However, over the last 2 years, FOUR senior players have publicly stated their personal, & the players' preference for a large squad, the direct opposite of what Pep desires. As of the close of this window, we have that large squad. Whether by design or because we failed to move players on, it amounts to the same. This larger squad doesn't include Philips or Ortega.

Pep admitted it was his fault that we didn't start the rebuilding process last summer, after turning down the offer. Khaldoon could barely contain his annoyance that this contributed to last season's collapse. Now reconsider the tweet about Viana & our increased squad size.

I've outlined several other instances where like I said, in isolation, they probably don't mean a lot, but when added together in a timeline, it makes me sit up & take notice.

I hope for my sake I've got this all wrong, but rarely do I see so many separate instances, which when linked start to form a picture & this doesn't turn out to be wholly or partly the case.

I'm happy to wait & see. If Guardiola adapts his tactics & formations, & everything returns to what we've come to expect, or we can clearly see a transitional pathway toward that goal, I'll be more than happy to hold my hands up & say I got it all wrong.

The thing is, I had similar feelings about the following too:

Pellegrini

Kompany leaving & us not replacing him

Pep's line-up for the Chelsea CL final

The 115 being utter bullshit & at worst us being fined for non-compliance


More recently:

Grealish & his end of season 2022-23 drinking

Rodri fearing for his health

Rodri, Foden, Akanji & Bernardo saying they were physically & mentally drained & the players wanted a bigger squad

Pep pulling his "will he, won't he" extend 12 months ago, becoming draining

Pep admitting he declined to rebuild last summer

Khaldoon's rebuild comments

Pep's coaching staff being sacked

City ending the window with a fully stacked squad, albeit Pep wants a small one

Pep Lijnders demeanour since the CWC

Rodri's "kids" comments

Rodri's comments about sorting things on & off the field

Reports today that Viana was solely responsible for all transfers this summer (could be speculation)


My mind works logically & I can't help making connections. After connecting the dots & seeing the picture that emerged, I had exactly the same feelings for all the above.

We all want the same thing, & I'm absolutely desperate for Manchester City to turn things around. I've defended Pep to the hilt when he was called the "Bald Fraud" "Fraudiola" & other disparaging things on this very forum. However, last summer's "will he, won't he" extend his contract was the first time I began to doubt him during his ten year tenure.

I swear, I hope I've got all the above very very wrong. If I have, I'll be the first to say so come the end of the season.
The only problem with most of that is it falls into the same trap as everybody else has in their assessment of last season: It takes little, if any ,account of what might have happened if we hadn't had the injury crisis.

Bring Rodri and Bobb back in and where would we have been at the end of the season. Challenging for the title? FA Cup winners? Decent CL run to the latter stages? I would suggest probably all of those, and had that happened all of these perceived problems don't exist.

The one major point that absolutely everybody misses is the injury issue, and it's the most important aspect because it changes everything. It's not just the two key injuries but the knock-on effects, having to play players out of position, having to play players who weren't quite fit themselves and needed resting and so on.

That's why it compounded and we had the bad run. It can be assumed with near certainty that if Pep had a crystal ball then he would have started the rebuild earlier because he would have known we would desperately short of cover, but the reality is he couldn't have known that, yet virtually every assessment is based on the decision not to rebuild.

From that point on the rest is history, everybody has their opinions and assessments and so on yet few, if any, take most of that into account.
 
I think that a lot of what we are seeing at City right now are probably things that go on all the time. It’s just that, because we aren’t winning matches at the moment, these things are reported on more and we read into them more than usual.

It’s normal human behaviour to look for patterns. One way to look at it is if the results were like they are and nobody was saying anything, isn’t there an argument for saying that is worse?

If we went on a run of victories most of this would go away. We have a lot of new players and some legends have left…it’s going to take time and even then it’s unrealistic to expect the levels we have seen in recent years.
Absolutely spot on.
 
The only problem with most of that is it falls into the same trap as everybody else has in their assessment of last season: It takes little, if any ,account of what might have happened if we hadn't had the injury crisis.

Bring Rodri and Bobb back in and where would we have been at the end of the season. Challenging for the title? FA Cup winners? Decent CL run to the latter stages? I would suggest probably all of those, and had that happened all of these perceived problems don't exist.

The one major point that absolutely everybody misses is the injury issue, and it's the most important aspect because it changes everything. It's not just the two key injuries but the knock-on effects, having to play players out of position, having to play players who weren't quite fit themselves and needed resting and so on.

That's why it compounded and we had the bad run. It can be assumed with near certainty that if Pep had a crystal ball then he would have started the rebuild earlier because he would have known we would desperately short of cover, but the reality is he couldn't have known that, yet virtually every assessment is based on the decision not to rebuild.

From that point on the rest is history, everybody has their opinions and assessments and so on yet few, if any, take most of that into account.
Last season didn't happen in isolation. After the treble, most onlookers acknowledged that our elite squad had peaked. They were getting older & were becoming more injury prone. However, instead of twisting, Pep & Pep alone decided to mostly stick.

Yes we tinkered around the edges, but we continued to rinse Rodri week after week & never seriously (imo) looked at getting an elite CDM in to challenge & rotate with him. When you look around our squad, there were vital positions where we needed to bring in challengers, not potential & we failed to do so.

Saying whether we should've started our succession planning & rebuild after the treble, season 2023-24 or last season is subjective. The fact that we invested so heavily in January & the summer of 2025 shows we made an objective error of judgement in not starting that process sooner.

Pep admitted it was his decision not to take up the squad rebuild offer, so subsequently because his small squad philosophy, it left us without adequate cover last season, which led to our mid-season collapse.

In this respect, no one missed that injuries derailed us. On the contrary, many people including myself warned we were playing with fire by not strengthening, & that if injuries were to strike, we would struggle, & that's exactly what happened.

Looking through our squad, the ages of our stars & their increasing susceptibility to injuries, no crystal ball was needed. There was a failure on our part not to adequately cover ourselves, & Khaldoon reiterated this during his end of season address.

The plain & obvious fact was the drop off in quality between our ageing stars & those who could step in was too big. This was all on City. We're a big & professional enough club to have known better. We should've had the requisite quality in-depth to cover us for all eventualities & we didn't. In this respect, we failed as evidenced by the two huge transfer windows where we rushed to correct our error.

The ramifications of this failure will be lasting. I think player for player, our squad stacks up with all the top contenders, but because we're essentially trying to bed in a new team, with Guardiola's famed complex tactical approach, we'll need time to gel whereas our direct competitors have had a 2-3 season head start on us.

Can we all wait 2-3 season to be serious contenders again? From what I can see, I don't think we have much choice in the matter. You snooze, you lose & City were caught napping, as the chasing pack closed in & passed us. Now it's City doing the chasing. This was all so unnecessary.
 
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According to the information of Portuguese newspaper Record, as translated and relayed by Sport Witness, Benfica presidential candidate João Noronha Lopes is preparing a move for Manchester City captain Bernardo Silva, wanting to seal a deal as early as January.

It is claimed that a contract is already drafted and ready to be signed from January 1 by the 31-year-old midfielder – the date on which Bernardo Silva will be able to formally negotiate with other clubs as his City deal runs until June 2026.

Record outlines that either Manchester City will agree to let the Portuguese international leave immediately in exchange for a fee in January, or Benfica wait until the summer market of 2026 and secure him on a free agreement.

As for discussions between Noronha Lopes and Bernardo Silva, the report describes those interactions as “well advanced”, with the candidate intending to make the playmaker the centrepiece of his sporting project should he become elected.


If true, this will truly be the end of an era for a true Manchester City great.

 
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According to the information of Portuguese newspaper Record, as translated and relayed by Sport Witness, Benfica presidential candidate João Noronha Lopes is preparing a move for Manchester City captain Bernardo Silva, wanting to seal a deal as early as January.

It is claimed that a contract is already drafted and ready to be signed from January 1 by the 31-year-old midfielder – the date on which Bernardo Silva will be able to formally negotiate with other clubs as his City deal runs until June 2026.

Record outlines that either Manchester City will agree to let the Portuguese international leave immediately in exchange for a fee in January, or Benfica wait until the summer market of 2026 and secure him on a free agreement.

As for discussions between Noronha Lopes and Bernardo Silva, the report describes those interactions as “well advanced”, with the candidate intending to make the playmaker the centrepiece of his sporting project should he become elected.


If true, this will truly be the end of an era for a true Manchester City great.
Be best for all concerned. Yes it will be the end of an era. And we need to get on with it . . .
 
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According to the information of Portuguese newspaper Record, as translated and relayed by Sport Witness, Benfica presidential candidate João Noronha Lopes is preparing a move for Manchester City captain Bernardo Silva, wanting to seal a deal as early as January.

It is claimed that a contract is already drafted and ready to be signed from January 1 by the 31-year-old midfielder – the date on which Bernardo Silva will be able to formally negotiate with other clubs as his City deal runs until June 2026.

Record outlines that either Manchester City will agree to let the Portuguese international leave immediately in exchange for a fee in January, or Benfica wait until the summer market of 2026 and secure him on a free agreement.

As for discussions between Noronha Lopes and Bernardo Silva, the report describes those interactions as “well advanced”, with the candidate intending to make the playmaker the centrepiece of his sporting project should he become elected.


If true, this will truly be the end of an era for a true Manchester City great.
that's expected tbh

i'd expect the same for Stones, Ortega

also i'd expect Ake, Kovacic, Nunes to be sold
 
There are members on this forum who're like post forensics. We all see & sense things differently, so if there are any post forensics out there who'd like to check, they'll see my posts from a year ago where after never saying a negative word about Guardiola (CL final against Chelsea apart), my patience began to wear thin with him.

1. His failure to see our squad needed to evolve which he declined to do (his admission)

2. The annual "will he, won't he" extend his contract for another two years.

Everything I've highlighted today in isolation is barely worth mentioning. However, when strung together in a timeline, I'd be kidding myself not to think there's more going on behind the scenes than most people think.

There's not one thing I mentioned that's made up. Only one could be cast as speculation (today's tweet about Viana & summer transfer decisions), but when considered in the context of what else is going on at my club, I'm not going to stick my fingers in my ears, scrunch up my eyes & refuse to acknowledge the picture that's emerging once I've connected the dots.

I'm not one for CONspiracy theories or hyperbole, but I am a person who takes keen notice of patterns & frequencies, & in that respect my Spidey senses are tingling. I repeat, I get a deep deep sense that all isn't well behind the scenes at Manchester City regarding Pep Guardiola.

I can't recall a manager sacking his whole backroom team himself. If anyone else can, please tell me.

We all know Pep loves a small elite squad. He "jokingly" threatened to quit 6 months ago, unless his squad was drastically cut by the end of the summer window.

However, over the last 2 years, FOUR senior players have publicly stated their personal, & the players' preference for a large squad, the direct opposite of what Pep desires. As of the close of this window, we have that large squad. Whether by design or because we failed to move players on, it amounts to the same. This larger squad doesn't include Philips or Ortega.

Pep admitted it was his fault that we didn't start the rebuilding process last summer, after turning down the offer. Khaldoon could barely contain his annoyance that this contributed to last season's collapse. Now reconsider the tweet about Viana & our increased squad size.

I've outlined several other instances where like I said, in isolation, they probably don't mean a lot, but when added together in a timeline, it makes me sit up & take notice.

I hope for my sake I've got this all wrong, but rarely do I see so many separate instances, which when linked start to form a picture & this doesn't turn out to be wholly or partly the case.

I'm happy to wait & see. If Guardiola adapts his tactics & formations, & everything returns to what we've come to expect, or we can clearly see a transitional pathway toward that goal, I'll be more than happy to hold my hands up & say I got it all wrong.

The thing is, I had similar feelings about the following too:

Pellegrini

Kompany leaving & us not replacing him

Pep's line-up for the Chelsea CL final

The 115 being utter bullshit & at worst us being fined for non-compliance


More recently:

Grealish & his end of season 2022-23 drinking

Rodri fearing for his health

Rodri, Foden, Akanji & Bernardo saying they were physically & mentally drained & the players wanted a bigger squad

Pep pulling his "will he, won't he" extend 12 months ago, becoming draining

Pep admitting he declined to rebuild last summer

Khaldoon's rebuild comments

Pep's coaching staff being sacked

City ending the window with a fully stacked squad, albeit Pep wants a small one

Pep Lijnders demeanour since the CWC

Rodri's "kids" comments

Rodri's comments about sorting things on & off the field

Reports today that Viana was solely responsible for all transfers this summer (could be speculation)


My mind works logically & I can't help making connections. After connecting the dots & seeing the picture that emerged, I had exactly the same feelings for all the above.

We all want the same thing, & I'm absolutely desperate for Manchester City to turn things around. I've defended Pep to the hilt when he was called the "Bald Fraud" "Fraudiola" & other disparaging things on this very forum. However, last summer's "will he, won't he" extend his contract was the first time I began to doubt him during his ten year tenure.

I swear, I hope I've got all the above very very wrong. If I have, I'll be the first to say so come the end of the season.
What is Linjders demeanour after the CWC ?Pool fans aren’t surprised we’re in another injury crisis. His training methods are apparently extremely different compared to Pep.
 
What is Linjders demeanour after the CWC ?Pool fans aren’t surprised we’re in another injury crisis. His training methods are apparently extremely different compared to Pep.
In terms of injuries, Lijnders wasn't here last season.

He seems disconnected & distant. During the first three games, there was a definite difference with our tactics & approach, but since Al Hilal, we've reverted to the same tactics as last season which failed us.

If Lijnders' arrival was supposed to be a signal of change & we've reverted back to last season's tactics, no wonder he looks so disconnected.

Also, there's growing media commentary that good season or not, Pep won't be here after his contract expires, & his departure could be hastened if results don't markedly improved this season.

There's always been speculation surrounding his contract renewals, but this time around I just sense something different.
 
Last season didn't happen in isolation. After the treble, most onlookers acknowledged that our elite squad had peaked. They were getting older & were becoming more injury prone. However, instead of twisting, Pep & Pep alone decided to mostly stick.

Yes we tinkered around the edges, but we continued to rinse Rodri week after week & never seriously (imo) looked at getting an elite CDM in to challenge & rotate with him. When you look around our squad, there were vital positions where we needed to bring in challengers, not potential & we failed to do so.

Saying whether we should've started our succession planning & rebuild after the treble, season 2023-24 or last season is subjective. The fact that we invested so heavily in January & the summer of 2025 shows we made an objective error of judgement in not starting that process sooner.

Pep admitted it was his decision not to take up the squad rebuild offer, so subsequently because his small squad philosophy, it left us without adequate cover last season, which led to our mid-season collapse.

In this respect, no one missed that injuries derailed us. On the contrary, many people including myself warned we were playing with fire by not strengthening, & that if injuries were to strike, we would struggle, & that's exactly what happened.

Looking through our squad, the ages of our stars & their increasing susceptibility to injuries, no crystal ball was needed. There was a failure on our part not to adequately cover ourselves, & Khaldoon reiterated this during his end of season address.

The plain & obvious fact was the drop off in quality between our ageing stars & those who could step in was too big. This was all on City. We're a big & professional enough club to have known better. We should've had the requisite quality in-depth to cover us for all eventualities & we didn't. In this respect, we failed as evidenced by the two huge transfer windows where we rushed to correct our error.

The ramifications of this failure will be lasting. I think player for player, our squad stacks up with all the top contenders, but because we're essentially trying to bed in a new team, with Guardiola's famed complex tactical approach, we'll need time to gel whereas our direct competitors have had a 2-3 season head start on us.

Can we all wait 2-3 season to be serious contenders again? From what I can see, I don't think we have much choice in the matter. You snooze, you lose & City were caught napping, as the chasing pack closed in & passed us. Now it's City doing the chasing. This was all so unnecessary.
100%.

I'd add that regardless of any new players, until a new manager replaces Pep we could be lacking a high sense of excitement.

That said an impressive performance and result against united plus a run of wins and Pep would be back to filing us with hope.

Fingers crossed.
 
In terms of injuries, Lijnders wasn't here last season.

He seems disconnected & distant. During the first three games, there was a definite difference with our tactics & approach, but since Al Hilal, we've reverted to the same tactics as last season which failed us.

If Lijnders' arrival was supposed to be a signal of change & we've reverted back to last season's tactics, no wonder he looks so disconnected.

Also, there's growing media commentary that good season or not, Pep won't be here after his contract expires, & his departure could be hastened if results don't markedly improved this season.

There's always been speculation surrounding his contract renewals, but this time around I just sense something different.
Is it me or we are in scary times. I have no idea what direction we’re going in. The Cheri injury was the kick in the teeth for me. We can easily lose to Utd and Arsenal. We were building the greatest dynasty now ever match is a UCL final

You’re right I’m not seeing Lindjers influence anymore. The decision making in the final 3rd is still poor. There’s still no urgency when we have the ball. Brighton was the perfect game. It doesn’t look like the players are doing anything different.

I’d expect the staff around Pep would put a lot of effort and could get rewarded to stay even after Pep leaves.
 
For me the biggest flaws in our team at the end of last season were -

- No right back
- No DM
- No impactful wingers

We’re into the next season with 2 of the 3 flaws still there with the DM issue covered mostly by the return of Rodri.
 
In terms of injuries, Lijnders wasn't here last season.

He seems disconnected & distant. During the first three games, there was a definite difference with our tactics & approach, but since Al Hilal, we've reverted to the same tactics as last season which failed us.

If Lijnders' arrival was supposed to be a signal of change & we've reverted back to last season's tactics, no wonder he looks so disconnected.

Also, there's growing media commentary that good season or not, Pep won't be here after his contract expires, & his departure could be hastened if results don't markedly improved this season.

There's always been speculation surrounding his contract renewals, but this time around I just sense something different.
If you watch the end of season DVD's the thing that is most apparent with Pep is the intensity. Game after game macro managing players positions and performances.

At some point, that intensity has to wane. The players have been amazing to keep going back to the well time and time again to do the 4 in a row.

There's an argument that managers only have a 10 year cycle at the top which Pep has exceeded and then some. But there has to be a moment where he's had enough or the players have with him
 

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