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No Right Back is staggering and the high line just doesn’t work anymore and is poor from Pep to keep using it as it just comes across as a bit stubborn and arrogant? Watching us suffer with it for a year now and continuing to suffer should be a warning sign that it needs to change so we can be more stable
How do we play a high possession based pressing game, like other top teams including liverpool last season and not play a high line ? Just isn’t possible,We need to improve it as players get used to each other needs more time, but saying it doesn’t work is rubbish. What did you expect other than a high line when we have Pep and brought in Linders ?
We do have right backs , you might not think they are good enough, IMO there isn’t much options and we have better than liverpools right back.
 
How do we play a high possession based pressing game, like other top teams including liverpool last season and not play a high line ? Just isn’t possible,We need to improve it as players get used to each other needs more time, but saying it doesn’t work is rubbish. What did you expect other than a high line when we have Pep and brought in Linders ?
We do have right backs , you might not think they are good enough, IMO there isn’t much options and we have better than liverpools right back.

Rico was a midfielder in the EDS though and Nunes apparently isn’t intelligent enough to play his own position yet is tasked with learning a new one? Our press is non existent to what we had 2-3 years ago as well?
 
Rico was a midfielder in the EDS though and Nunes apparently isn’t intelligent enough to play his own position yet is tasked with learning a new one? Our press is non existent to what we had 2-3 years ago as well?
They were midfielders now they are right backs Nunes especially and Nunes is a better one than Frimpong. Our press wasn’t non existent, yes it isn’t perfect yet and was better with Bernardo against Wolves but it will take time.Doesn’t alter the fact we will press and that means no choice about having a high line other wise there is huge void in the midfield.
 
How do we play a high possession based pressing game, like other top teams including liverpool last season and not play a high line ? Just isn’t possible,We need to improve it as players get used to each other needs more time, but saying it doesn’t work is rubbish. What did you expect other than a high line when we have Pep and brought in Linders ?
We do have right backs , you might not think they are good enough, IMO there isn’t much options and we have better than liverpools right back.
One thing it will do is expose the players who make mistakes and/or have insufficient recovery speed. In that respect, Saturday puts question marks against Stones and Lewis. It doesn’t mean we ditch them, but they can have no gripes if they’re benched and others tried.
 
Our press is non existent to what we had 2-3 years ago as well?

Our best pressers were always Sane, Raz, Jesus, Foden and Alvarez.

Currently I think our best pressers are Marmoush and Bobb. But when Marmoush is taken off.. ofcourse our pressing will suffer. Thought that subbing off was a mistake.

And Phil isn't exactly fully healthy so the press will get better when he is healthy.
 
They were midfielders now they are right backs Nunes especially and Nunes is a better one than Frimpong. Our press wasn’t non existent, yes it isn’t perfect yet and was better with Bernardo against Wolves but it will take time.Doesn’t alter the fact we will press and that means no choice about having a high line other wise there is huge void in the midfield.

But they aren’t right backs? At one point, in that treble season, we were the best team in the world? We had arguably the best right back in the world but he got old and we haven’t replaced him? Ait Nouri is a class signing and I’m well chuffed with him but we need a right back otherwise we won’t just be put to the sword in the premier league but even more so in the champions league
 
I take your point but we've signed players who currently have the potential to be very, very good players but they're not huge, globally recognised talents no matter how you try to dress it up.

Cherki might end up being world class but he wasn't first choice.

Reijnders looks a very good player but he's not a huge star. He could go on to be though.

Marmoush was a panic buy. He looks ok but he's got a long way to go before he gets anywhere near world class level.

I'll be amazed if Khusanov lasts more than a couple of seasons with us and I'll be even more amazed if Bah even kicks a ball for us.

We've had it great because of the greatest manager that's ever lived. Without him, we'd have barely won a trophy
By your definition then KDB was not a globally recognised talent when he was signed.
Neither was Vinny.
That is my point. All of those players became great with us.
We must allow our new signings to become that, just as we did with those players.
 
The fuck are you on about? Who on here was screaming for us to sign any of

Delap
Joao Pedro
Gittins
Garnacho
Estevao
Hato
Frimpong
Kirkez
Ekitike
Leoni
Gyokeres
Eze
Norgaard
Hancapie

12 months ago?

Wirtz and Zubimendi are both good high profile signings, but the idea that we’re feeding off scraps compared to our rivals is ridiculous.
Me regarding Ezé to be fair...
 
Our best pressers were always Sane, Raz, Jesus, Foden and Alvarez.

Currently I think our best pressers are Marmoush and Bobb. But when Marmoush is taken off.. ofcourse our pressing will suffer. Thought that subbing off was a mistake.

And Phil isn't exactly fully healthy so the press will get better when he is healthy.
Best display of pressing I’ve seen was when we walloped Chelsea out of the FA Cup in January ‘23. It involved Palmer, Alvarez, Foden, and Mahrez, all of whom have high football intelligence and on the day pressed selflessly as a pack. When all 4 understand the angles and work their socks off, it creates chances and actually means less running for everyone. However, if one attacker is half-hearted, inconsistent, or cannot work as a pack, then the system is easily penetrated.
 
No Right Back is staggering and the high line just doesn’t work anymore and is poor from Pep to keep using it as it just comes across as a bit stubborn and arrogant? Watching us suffer with it for a year now and continuing to suffer should be a warning sign that it needs to change so we can be more stable
Of course the high line still works. Nearly every top team in world football plays it.
We have two right-backs, they are just not the ones you want.
If it is your belief in how the game should be played (Pep), you have to do it your way, or you will fail regardless.
Suffer? Third place and now in the beginning of a new season with a host of new players.
We have not suffered anything, and it is obvious that the club are working hard to reclaim the top spot.
 
We have to be realistic about where Manchester City stands in the grand scheme of world football. As successful as we’ve been in recent years, we’re still not perceived on the same historical level as clubs like Barcelona, Liverpool, or Real Madrid. These are institutions that carry decades of tradition, heritage, and global recognition. That inevitably makes it harder for City to sign the so-called “elite” players because in the eyes of many, we’re still the newer force on the block, a club that the media have gone out of their way to discredit and tarnish whenever possible. Our rise has been questioned and criticised more than it has been celebrated, and that does impact how some players view us, especially recently.

The truth is, most of the very top players we’ve managed to bring in have come because of Pep Guardiola. His reputation, his vision, and his ability to elevate players to another level have been the decisive factors in attracting talent that otherwise may have gone elsewhere.

Although some fans call for Pep to leave, when that day actually comes they will be in for a huge shock. It’s easy to forget just how much he has given us, how he has transformed Manchester City into a dominant force and set standards we could only dream of before his arrival. Once he steps away, the same people who now complain will quickly realise how rare a manager like Pep is, and they’ll be the first to beg for him to return to the club. His influence is so deep that life after him will inevitably feel different, and only then will some truly appreciate the era we’ve been privileged to witness. Football is cyclical, and our period of dominance is over.
Mate, things have evolved since then. No doubting the history of the clubs you've listed & the old skool media bias toward them, but there's a generation who've grown up & been born over the last 17 years who've known little else apart from City being a force, & being the dominant force at home & in Europe over the last 6 years.

It's not that we don't have the funds. It's evidently City's policy to go for value in the market. Personally I think a lot of that is as a reaction to everyone accusing us of distorting the market & ruining football. But as things stand, aside from maybe the two Spanish giants (Real definitely), City are as big a draw for players imo.

That's not to say we should rest on our laurels though, because nothing lasts forever. I'm old enough to remember when only the two Spanish giants were considered a bigger draw in world football than ManUre!
 
By your definition then KDB was not a globally recognised talent when he was signed.
Neither was Vinny.
That is my point. All of those players became great with us.
We must allow our new signings to become that, just as we did with those players.
Kevin was ripping apart the bundesliga when we went after him, you could see he had potential to be a very very good player.
 
Kevin was ripping apart the bundesliga when we went after him, you could see he had potential to be a very very good player.
Cherki was ripping apart the French league, he had the highest chance creation stats in Europe, yet playing for a non-dominant team.
Marmoush had the leading stats in the Bundesliga, ahead of Kane despite playing for an inferior team.
Khusanov and Bah had the leading U21 defender stats in the top 5 leagues.
Reijnders is Serie A MOTY.

We have signed all those, and when we signed KDB, he was described as a ridiculous buy, a Chelsea reject who we had been ripped off by buying.
 
No Right Back is staggering and the high line just doesn’t work anymore and is poor from Pep to keep using it as it just comes across as a bit stubborn and arrogant? Watching us suffer with it for a year now and continuing to suffer should be a warning sign that it needs to change so we can be more stable
It's not the high line I have an issue with, it's the space we vacate in the channels which massively puts us under pressure when the ball's put in behind.

Balls are rarely put in behind down the centre against us. Teams play it out wide for a reason, as there's no fucker there because of our failed inverted tactic. Sort that out, & the rest will resolve itself.
 
It's not the high line I have an issue with, it's the space we vacate in the channels which massively puts us under pressure when the ball's put in behind.

Balls are rarely put in behind down the centre against us. Teams play it out wide for a reason, as there's no fucker there because of our failed inverted tactic. Sort that out, & the rest will resolve itself.
It isn't a failing of inverted full-backs, which absolutely have their place. All high lines need someone at the back with the pace to sweep up. Rodri also cuts out the switch of play because of his positional awareness and height.
 
It isn't a failing of inverted full-backs, which absolutely have their place. All high lines need someone at the back with the pace to sweep up. Rodri also cuts out the switch of play because of his positional awareness and height.
Mate, teams hit the ball into one channel & come at us down the other & through the centre. Our players can't vacate the centre, which leave both undefended wings as areas of attack & danger.

Since we lost our fear factor, teams have been using the same attacking tactic against us time after time. If we had four at the back, the opposition wouldn't have two empty & undefended forward areas of the pitch to attack us from.

If you look at the increasing frequency of similar attacks we face, that's where our main vulnerabilities lie. It's no coincidence.
 
No Right Back is staggering and the high line just doesn’t work anymore and is poor from Pep to keep using it as it just comes across as a bit stubborn and arrogant? Watching us suffer with it for a year now and continuing to suffer should be a warning sign that it needs to change so we can be more stable

We haven't been linked with a single right back this summer. A couple very loose 'monitoring' mentions for Livramento, but nothing meaningful in it. And no other mentions. That to me suggests the club either know who they want to bring in but will wait till they are availabile or cost less, or they don't will wait till they know who to bring in. Not that I wouldn't like to see one in, but be surprised if one just gets signed out of nowhere.
 
I don't think spoiled kids is as apt a description as know nowts. Also, there are some with valid, informed opinions and others who slag off everyone we have, had, or want. The latter are extremists and annoying as fuck. They usually don't know a thing about football outside of the Prem and even that is questionable.
Just as annoying are those who believe everything we do is correct. As if every decision Pep or the board makes is mint. These too are extremists.
It leaves a vast majority whose range of opinions is somewhere in the middle left to hopelessly debate both sides...
A bit like politics in the "information (or lack of information) age, isn't? Those on the fringes, the kooks, the nutters, scream the loudest about everything and think only their position is the valid one. It leaves the poor centrists increasingly wanting nothing to do with either.
 

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