Ivan Toney

117 M34 said:
I think the bigger issue is him betting on Brentford to lose in games he wasn't playing in.
If he was betting on Brentford to win when he was playing, he is just going to try a bit harder. That's not cheating.
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but what if other players are involved and part of the bet then we are talking big money, also if it's oversea bookies and match-fixing then its No lose win win win,

if you are just taking on the bookies then they are not daft and will see it a mile off and flag it up straight away,
Even in the old days of a ring/gang of people placing small bets, they would smell a rat and not be fooled twice,

this is not just one person and his addiction because we know other players have been flagged up and fined or banned before, the best way to cover it up is to shout addiction and the player needs help, Sorry its Match fixing and cheating the fans and the game, How hard is it to see that Premier League players doing something strange and missing a shitter or scoring with the defender or keeper making a howler,

its a cover-up by the FA and this will not be the last time a player gets highlighted, Somebody else will just move up the ladder and be the main player and control what needs to happen,
 
Extremely lenient this Barton got worse punishment than him and Barton should've got longer than 18 months too, in my view Barton should've got at least a 3-5 year football ban which would've affected his management career.

It's doubtful with the high wages received nowadays but you also honestly can't be certain he hasn't had a word with a teammate, before then betting against his own team to lose it's total madness the punishment should be far more severe.

He's a Muppet I don't think footballers should bet but I can see how boredom might've set in how someone with an addiction can need help, those sort of people are the ones who should get Toney's given sentence here with the very best of help to overcome their addictions. Toney though to bet on his own team to lose and having previously starred in a video of himself shared online calling Brentford shit, the guy is clearly an arsehole of the highest order not that it factors in to the punishment he should've received, he should've faced a far longer ban than this purely based for trying to deceive the FA in the manner he did on its own too.

At first I thought he's just fell down a rabbit hole and needed help to break the cycle but even with that his current punishment could've been harsher, betting against his own team along with the attempted deception he tried to pull is a wrongun, they 100% gave him a very lenient warning this is not punishment it's not even amounting to a slap on the wrist as far as I'm concerned.

They also should've enforced that if he wishes to resume his career he has to go to gamblers anonymous meetings once a week too, if he fails to turn up one week ban him for another week see how he likes that... this on its own would probably be the biggest deterrent for future cases like this.
 
ancoats said:
this is not just one person and his addiction because we know other players have been flagged up and fined or banned before, the best way to cover it up is to shout addiction and the player needs help, Sorry its Match fixing and cheating the fans and the game, How hard is it to see that Premier League players doing something strange and missing a shitter or scoring with the defender or keeper making a howler,
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Could create a big mess.
 
117 M34 said:
I think the bigger issue is him betting on Brentford to lose in games he wasn't playing in.
If he was betting on Brentford to win when he was playing, he is just going to try a bit harder. That's not cheating.
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It is still cheating because he has insider knowledge of the team. He knows the conditions running up to the game, how prepared and fit the team is. Put it this way, if there are players in the team who are an injury doubt then that impacts the odds in the market - say De Bruyne and Haaland are both only 50% likely to play, then the market's odds for us winning that game will have the risk of them not playing built in and so they will likely be lower.

Toney can use insider knowledge like that to his advantage and choose to bet on them to win in games where the conditions in the run up are more favourable. Therefore, he is beating the market odds with insider knowledge. You only need a small edge over other betters to beat the market in the long-run.
 
Ivan Tony is a dickhead… A very talented one but nevertheless, he knew the rules and abused them (daft as they are) and now he’s paying the price ..
As far as I’m aware he didn’t climb out of a window to avoid a drug test though, same ban length … !
 
Blue Til Death said:
Ivan Tony is a dickhead… A very talented one but nevertheless, he knew the rules and abused them (daft as they are) and now he’s paying the price ..
As far as I’m aware he didn’t climb out of a window to avoid a drug test though, same ban length … !
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What sticks in the gut mate is his whinging about being "Snubbed" by England and now we know why.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
It is still cheating because he has insider knowledge of the team. He knows the conditions running up to the game, how prepared and fit the team is. Put it this way, if there are players in the team who are an injury doubt then that impacts the odds in the market - say De Bruyne and Haaland are both only 50% likely to play, then the market's odds for us winning that game will have the risk of them not playing built in and so they will likely be lower.

Toney can use insider knowledge like that to his advantage and choose to bet on them to win in games where the conditions in the run up are more favourable. Therefore, he is beating the market odds with insider knowledge. You only need a small edge over other betters to beat the market in the long-run.
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Well argued but it's overly generous to bookies. In horse racing you can bet on your own horse but you can't bet against it. Ultimately it's a question of integrity, which can only be maintained by stopping players and coaches betting, but that's Undermined by having gambling companies sponsor teams.

You could use the same argument against club members attending an open but members only training session making bets with insider knowledge.

Ultimately there is only one logical way to crack down on footballers betting, and that's by telling the bookies to fuck off and stop all sponsorships with gambling companies.

Unlike Horse Racing Football doesn't need Gambling and can survive and thrive without it.
 
I tend to fall on the side of "it's not worthy of a ban" when players are betting on games that don't involve them and have no direct link to their side but betting on your own team is another matter entirely, and betting on them to lose on many occasions is just dodgy as fuck.

Doesn't matter what the reasons are, that's an instant numerous years ban in my eyes. He's got off very very lightly there.
 
Is it a ridiculous conspiracy theory to suggest that Southgate may have leant on the powers that be to make sure he's fit and firing for the Euros next summer?
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
Is it a ridiculous conspiracy theory to suggest that Southgate may have leant on the powers that be to make sure he's fit and firing for the Euros next summer?
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As he has one cap (as a late sub) and no goals, yes it definitely is.

There's no guarantee he could even be a decent international, Southgate would have to have a bigger gambling problem than Toney to think he was worthy of that kind of risk.
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
Is it a ridiculous conspiracy theory to suggest that Southgate may have leant on the powers that be to make sure he's fit and firing for the Euros next summer?
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Yes it is. If it had been somebody integral to the team like kane for example then there's a plausible suggestion but the guy is/was far from certain to even make the squad and if he does, he's not going to see many minutes.
 
City Raider said:
Regardless of what he’s done, Franks is right about the hypocrisy of football and its relationship with betting companies.
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Yes, but smokescreen deflection tactics. As said earlier, a pro betting against the team he played in is awful. I wouldnt want to be in the same team as him ever again and if I was a manager Inwouldnt touch him with a bargepole. Hugely disrepectful to clubmates and undermines the fabric of what team sports and collective effort is about. Who would trust him?
 
It was scandalously lenient, a league 2 player got 8 months for 1 x £5 accumulator in 2009.
That ban was August so it was in effect a season ban, when Toney got 5 months Net.

They can bet on anything they like apart from football. Toney was betting against his own team on a regular basis, if a lower league player did that it would be 5-10 years.
 
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