Jim Ratcliffe - claims the UK is being “colonised”

[The perfect fumble]

I see Ratcliffe has done the classic apology which isn't really an apology.

Performative.

What it does reveal is the narrative amongst the ultra rich "new" right wing, that the UK is a weak woke basket case.

 

[Blackley_Blue]

Fully aware that this will fall on deaf ears on here but have a look at the stats...

Manchester - no longer majority white British, with a drop of over 10% in the ten years between 2011-2021. Expected to fall significantly further by the time of the next census in 2031.

Leicester - 60% belong to ethnic minorities.

London - in 1991, the population of London was 80% white British in 2021 it was 36%. It is expected by 2031, that will have dropped significantly more.

Birmingham - dropped by 10% in 10 years. A minority white city.

English schools - White British children in English schools are dropping at a rate of 2% every 2 years, in less than 10 years it is predicted that it will drop below 50% of all students in England. There are state funded schools in England where there are NO White British children. There are nearly 500 schools where White British children make up less than 2% and 1 in 4 of ALL schools they are the minority.

 

[blueparrot]

Fully aware that this will fall on deaf ears on here but have a look at the stats...

Manchester - no longer majority white British, with a drop of over 10% in the ten years between 2011-2021. Expected to fall significantly further by the time of the next census in 2031.

Leicester - 60% belong to ethnic minorities.

London - in 1991, the population of London was 80% white British in 2021 it was 36%. It is expected by 2031, that will have dropped significantly more.

Birmingham - dropped by 10% in 10 years. A minority white city.

English schools - White British children in English schools are dropping at a rate of 2% every 2 years, in less than 10 years it is predicted that it will drop below 50% of all students in England. There are state funded schools in England where there are NO White British children. There are nearly 500 schools where White British children make up less than 2% and 1 in 4 of ALL schools they are the minority.



None of this really matters anyway because I've just read on another thread that the greens are favourites to win the next GE so they'll make sure those demographics change further and faster.

Why does it matter if British people aren't exclusively white?

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

I see Burnham's gone in two-footed!

His Manchester United infrastructure fundraising pal - say it ain't so............

 

[M18CTID]

Fully aware that this will fall on deaf ears on here but have a look at the stats...

Manchester - no longer majority white British, with a drop of over 10% in the ten years between 2011-2021. Expected to fall significantly further by the time of the next census in 2031.

Leicester - 60% belong to ethnic minorities.

London - in 1991, the population of London was 80% white British in 2021 it was 36%. It is expected by 2031, that will have dropped significantly more.

Birmingham - dropped by 10% in 10 years. A minority white city.

English schools - White British children in English schools are dropping at a rate of 2% every 2 years, in less than 10 years it is predicted that it will drop below 50% of all students in England. There are state funded schools in England where there are NO White British children. There are nearly 500 schools where White British children make up less than 2% and 1 in 4 of ALL schools they are the minority.



None of this really matters anyway because I've just read on another thread that the greens are favourites to win the next GE so they'll make sure those demographics change further and faster.

The Greens are favourites to win the Gorton and Denton by election, not the General Election FFS! Are you incapable of reading?

 

[The perfect fumble]

That’s a wholly binary assertion and is plainly wrong. There are plenty of things that people can (and do) say about immigration which are correctly and justifiably characterised as racist.

Of course, but that does not undermine what I posted..

The nationalist genie is out of the bottle, there can be no denying it, and the racists make hay with it coz that's what they do, they always graft their shit onto discontent if circumstances allow and seek to fashion it for their own nefarious ends, but they're opportunists, they've been screaming into the void for decades, but now their message has traction, circumstances do allow, and it's why they have traction, why circumstances allow, that's the issue, address that and the racists go back to being Billy no mates.

Diversity is our strength, it's just the rich and powerful scapegoating immigrants in their never ending game of divide and rule, it's false consciousness, it's racism. Even if you believe this stuff those selling it are having difficulty finding buyers in our changed political climate, but the racists aren't, they've found a receptive audience.

I don't believe this country has suddenly become racist, but if there were an election tomorrow there's a good chance they'd put a racist in No 10, address why and there in lies the solution, shout racist and there in lies a dead end and a dreadful future.

 

[Phil1]

Fully aware that this will fall on deaf ears on here but have a look at the stats...

Manchester - no longer majority white British, with a drop of over 10% in the ten years between 2011-2021. Expected to fall significantly further by the time of the next census in 2031.

Leicester - 60% belong to ethnic minorities.

London - in 1991, the population of London was 80% white British in 2021 it was 36%. It is expected by 2031, that will have dropped significantly more.

Birmingham - dropped by 10% in 10 years. A minority white city.

English schools - White British children in English schools are dropping at a rate of 2% every 2 years, in less than 10 years it is predicted that it will drop below 50% of all students in England. There are state funded schools in England where there are NO White British children. There are nearly 500 schools where White British children make up less than 2% and 1 in 4 of ALL schools they are the minority.



None of this really matters anyway because I've just read on another thread that the greens are favourites to win the next GE so they'll make sure those demographics change further and faster.

That's numberwang!!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I see the FA are investigating him.

There’s got to be a heavy points deduction, say 100.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I hear the FA are looking into whether his remarks are bringing the game into disrepute! His very presence brings the game into disrepute. IMHO

 

[The perfect fumble]

I see the FA are investigating him.

There’s got to be a heavy points deduction, say 100.

115 is a nice number.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

Fully aware that this will fall on deaf ears on here but have a look at the stats...

Manchester - no longer majority white British, with a drop of over 10% in the ten years between 2011-2021. Expected to fall significantly further by the time of the next census in 2031.

Leicester - 60% belong to ethnic minorities.

London - in 1991, the population of London was 80% white British in 2021 it was 36%. It is expected by 2031, that will have dropped significantly more.

Birmingham - dropped by 10% in 10 years. A minority white city.

English schools - White British children in English schools are dropping at a rate of 2% every 2 years, in less than 10 years it is predicted that it will drop below 50% of all students in England. There are state funded schools in England where there are NO White British children. There are nearly 500 schools where White British children make up less than 2% and 1 in 4 of ALL schools they are the minority.



None of this really matters anyway because I've just read on another thread that the greens are favourites to win the next GE so they'll make sure those demographics change further and faster.

This is a misnomer because it depends upon whether you attach demographics to skin colour or heritage.

Virtually nobody in Manchester can claim to be wholly British. I checked my history ages ago and it's all over the place because despite all of my immediate family living within 10 miles I'm still part Irish, part Scottish and even part-Viking/Norwegian. My heritage from as little as 100 years ago was not white British, it was elsewhere.

The population of the UK was 10m in 1800 and it then increased by four times to 40m by 1900. That didn't happen through increased birth rates because birth rates collapsed from 1800 onwards. This is falsely called the indigenous population despite the fact that as little as 200 years ago virtually nobody's ancestors lived here however yes they were mostly white.

I agree that the demographics are changing but I'm not sure what the point of this statement is. If white "Brits" want to change this then they should start having more children because we can't stop immigration. If we stop immigration then at current birth rates our economy and social system would collapse within half a century.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Just realised, it's only a couple of weeks to Gorton & Denton by-election. This kind of rhetoric could push people to vote reform.

Funny he's just met Führage a few days before unloading. Probably promised him he'll fund the swamp rebuild.

 

[TinFoilHat]

I see the FA are investigating him.

There’s got to be a heavy points deduction, say 100.

City getting the deduction.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I don't believe this country has suddenly become racist, but if there were an election tomorrow there's a good chance they'd put a racist in No 10, address why and there in lies the solution, shout racist and there in lies a dead end and a dreadful future

Equally, not calling out racism merely encourages racism.

The racists have always been with us, they now think it's safe to be open about it is what has changed.

 

[Blackley_Blue]

Why does it matter if British people aren't exclusively white?

Nobody said it does? I was (attempting) to point out that the rapid shift in demographics of the country are why we get statements like the one we did from Ratcliffe and why the parties to the right are on the rise and reform (thanks @M18CTID, no I can't read!) are favourites for the next GE.

Multiculturalism and diversity is a strength. But I also don't think it's right that in England, we see schools where there are no white/white British children. Multiculturalism works both ways. Can you tell me the positives of having exclusively black or exclusively Asian school populations and how that helps multiculturalism as to me it will create more of a divide much like when I went to school in North Manchester in the 90s. There were no Asian or British Asian children in my year and hardly any in the school at all. I would guess that my year group was made up of 90% white British children and the other 10% was white/mixed Carribbean. It is a fact that I would have benefitted from having a more ethnically diverse class and classmates as I would have learned more about different cultures at a much younger age. Much like I did learn from my mates who are from a mixed Carribbean background.

 

[Craig]

Fully aware that this will fall on deaf ears on here but have a look at the stats...

Manchester - no longer majority white British, with a drop of over 10% in the ten years between 2011-2021. Expected to fall significantly further by the time of the next census in 2031.

Leicester - 60% belong to ethnic minorities.

London - in 1991, the population of London was 80% white British in 2021 it was 36%. It is expected by 2031, that will have dropped significantly more.

Birmingham - dropped by 10% in 10 years. A minority white city.

English schools - White British children in English schools are dropping at a rate of 2% every 2 years, in less than 10 years it is predicted that it will drop below 50% of all students in England. There are state funded schools in England where there are NO White British children. There are nearly 500 schools where White British children make up less than 2% and 1 in 4 of ALL schools they are the minority.



None of this really matters anyway because I've just read on another thread that the greens are favourites to win the next GE so they'll make sure those demographics change further and faster.

They’ve absolutely no chance of winning the general election. You’ll be pleased to know there’s a racist twat in pole position for that. So there’s hope for you that your stats might change.

 

[blueparrot]

Nobody said it does? I was (attempting) to point out that the rapid shift in demographics of the country are why we get statements like the one we did from Ratcliffe and why the parties to the right are on the rise and reform (thanks @M18CTID, no I can't read!) are favourites for the next GE.

Multiculturalism and diversity is a strength. But I also don't think it's right that in England, we see schools where there are no white/white British children. Multiculturalism works both ways. Can you tell me the positives of having exclusively black or exclusively Asian school populations and how that helps multiculturalism as to me it will create more of a divide much like when I went to school in North Manchester in the 90s. There were no Asian or British Asian children in my year and hardly any in the school at all. I would guess that my year group was made up of 90% white British children and the other 10% was white/mixed Carribbean. It is a fact that I would have benefitted from having a more ethnically diverse class and classmates as I would have learned more about different cultures at a much younger age. Much like I did learn from my mates who are from a mixed Carribbean background.

Don't think it's either positive or negative, people come to Britain are born in Britain from various backgrounds,mos of us will have immigrant ancestors,if somebody is 2nd,3rd or more generation British white nobody cares or questions their Britshness and background, why should any one question the Britishness of anybody non white. It's exactly the same and neither have any impact on me or my life.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Fully aware that this will fall on deaf ears on here but have a look at the stats...

Manchester - no longer majority white British, with a drop of over 10% in the ten years between 2011-2021. Expected to fall significantly further by the time of the next census in 2031.

Leicester - 60% belong to ethnic minorities.

London - in 1991, the population of London was 80% white British in 2021 it was 36%. It is expected by 2031, that will have dropped significantly more.

Birmingham - dropped by 10% in 10 years. A minority white city.

English schools - White British children in English schools are dropping at a rate of 2% every 2 years, in less than 10 years it is predicted that it will drop below 50% of all students in England. There are state funded schools in England where there are NO White British children. There are nearly 500 schools where White British children make up less than 2% and 1 in 4 of ALL schools they are the minority.



None of this really matters anyway because I've just read on another thread that the greens are favourites to win the next GE so they'll make sure those demographics change further and faster.

As somebody who has lived and worked in London for 8 years now, the difference in attitude between people who are here living their lives versus people from outside London telling Londoners how they should feel is quite stark.

I don’t know if your percentages are correct or not but assuming they are, people here (generally speaking) couldn’t give less of a fuck where people are from, we just get on. This place is full of the best and brightest who come from all over the world to be here. And it doesn’t feel any less “British” being here than it did when I lived in Edinburgh or Stockport. Culture does not equal skin colour. It doesn’t even equal birthplace.

So what am I supposed to be worried about exactly? I’m the minority white person in my own house. But it seems from what you’ve said that is problematic. Somebody needs to maybe loop me in on why that should bother me. Because I’ll be honest, I don’t spend a second of my time thinking about it until I read things like this.

 

[bluejon]

Nobody said it does? I was (attempting) to point out that the rapid shift in demographics of the country are why we get statements like the one we did from Ratcliffe and why the parties to the right are on the rise and reform (thanks @M18CTID, no I can't read!) are favourites for the next GE.

Multiculturalism and diversity is a strength. But I also don't think it's right that in England, we see schools where there are no white/white British children. Multiculturalism works both ways. Can you tell me the positives of having exclusively black or exclusively Asian school populations and how that helps multiculturalism as to me it will create more of a divide much like when I went to school in North Manchester in the 90s. There were no Asian or British Asian children in my year and hardly any in the school at all. I would guess that my year group was made up of 90% white British children and the other 10% was white/mixed Carribbean. It is a fact that I would have benefitted from having a more ethnically diverse class and classmates as I would have learned more about different cultures at a much younger age. Much like I did learn from my mates who are from a mixed Carribbean background.

Daughter is currently at a high school where about 10% of the kids are non-pakistani or bangladeshi (she is white so she is very much in the minority). She has no problem with this whatsoever and is being predicted really good grades for her GCSEs. It's normal for her, she doesn't care.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This is a misnomer because it depends upon whether you attach demographics to skin colour or heritage.

Virtually nobody in Manchester can claim to be wholly British. I checked my history ages ago and it's all over the place because despite all of my immediate family living within 10 miles I'm still part Irish, part Scottish and even part-Viking/Norwegian. My heritage from as little as 100 years ago was not white British, it was elsewhere.

The population of the UK was 10m in 1800 and it then increased by four times to 40m by 1900. That didn't happen through increased birth rates. This is now falsely being called the indigenous population despite the fact that as little as 200 years ago virtually nobody's ancestors lived here but yes they were mostly white.

The right like to paint the US and Trump in some light on immigration and yet the US is the highest immigrant taker in the world and it has one of the most diverse immigrant bases on the planet.... Do you reckon that American indians and indigenous Americans were the powerhouse behind it becoming the most powerful economy in the world?

Being British is distinct from ones ethnicity, the vast majority of people in Manchester are British citizens and therefore can claim to be wholly British.

Ethnicity is not race.

The terms race and ethnicity are frequently used together, it is important to understand the difference. The term race describes the idea of classifying individuals into groups according to different sets of physical traits and the process of giving those groups social significance. A person's ethnicity encompasses their language, background, religion, and customs, as well as their way of life in a particular geographic area.

White British is an official ethnic group category in the United Kingdom, used in the census to identify individuals with backgrounds from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, or the UK generally. As of 2021, it is the largest ethnic group in England and Wales, covering 74.4% of the population.