Jimmy Carr

Was watching Ricky Gervais stand-up last night from 2008 at Madison Square Garden.

He mentioned something along similar lines, mentioned six million Jews dying, asked how the fuck the Nazis didn't find Anne Frank sooner?

He's been to that tiny house (so have I) and he asked how the Germans didn't hear her working? All the time, mimicking using an old typewriter and moving the page bar back cross.

I thought it hilarious, as did the New Yorkers, but maybe it was a different time for a different generation?

He also took the piss out of teenage cancer victims, but Ricky's construct and set up are unmatched in my opinion?
IIRC he also called Anne Frank lazy because she didn't do a sequel, swiftly followed by a look to the audience that said he knew how close to the wind he was sailing.

There will always be someone who feels genuine offence at things but I don't think comedy should rein itself in. If they aren't funny then their audience will soon let them know.

As an aside, the likes of Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson seem to have gone so society policing itself sort of works. Maybe in a decade or two we will look back at Jimmy Carr and wonder how we (for those that do) ever found him funny.
 
I think people have lost the ability to laugh at themselves. Everything is serious business these days.

I found the below an interesting take on it. And half insinuates the point you are making.

 
Maybe in a decade or two we will look back at Jimmy Carr and wonder how we (for those that do) ever found him funny.

Society in general has had bastards in it since we started to talk and interact, today there are just as many bastards as ever there were, the only difference is that the new generation of bastards are calling the older generation of bastards out for being not their type of bastards.

In 30 years time the new bastards will be the old bastards and new definitions of bastardom will be written for a whole new generation of upcoming bastards who will vilify the bastards they think are bigger bastards than they are, but in reality the human race is and still will be full of bastards who do the same things that the old bastards do but with different targets in mind.
 
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I think people have lost the ability to laugh at themselves. Everything is serious business these days.

I do like to believe that the majority of people are still laughing inside, but, as you say, are probably too fearful to admit or show it?

The last couple of generations have spent the majority of it separating groups in to little boxes, when the truth about the human race is a little less palatable.

The pandemic should have proved beyond doubt, we all go up shit creek without a paddle when the brown stuff hits the fan.

We all bleed the same, we all love to laugh, we all grieve.

There was life before the internet and mobile phones, yet I fear the coping mechanisms of the human race are being eradicated with each passing year, in tandem with an ability not to take life too seriously.
 
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I found the below an interesting take on it. And half insinuates the point you are making.

I can’t read most of that as it’s behind a paywall. I can have a half decent guess at the main idea of his viewpoint though.

Is it that we’re more sensitive towards “edgy” subjects these days? Maybe, but I don’t think the majority are.

Social media given a voice to anybody who wants one. This is great in allowing minorities to be heard.

It’s not great for different groups to gang up on specific targets to marginalise people for one specific thing.

Whenever any person does something that propels them to the Twitter(and other social media) spotlight, people won’t stop moaning until they are cancelled. It’s like people are addicted to cancelling people.

Look at Kurt Zouma today. The bloke has kicked and abused a cat. The guy’s a **** for doing so. He deserves to be prosecuted, fined and banned from keeping pets for however long is appropriate.

The clamour online is for him never to play football for West Ham again. Some even think he shouldn’t play for anyone again!
 
IIRC he also called Anne Frank lazy because she didn't do a sequel, swiftly followed by a look to the audience that said he knew how close to the wind he was sailing.

There will always be someone who feels genuine offence at things but I don't think comedy should rein itself in. If they aren't funny then their audience will soon let them know.

As an aside, the likes of Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson seem to have gone so society policing itself sort of works. Maybe in a decade or two we will look back at Jimmy Carr and wonder how we (for those that do) ever found him funny.

Yep, that's the one! Watched it on my IPTV last night. I mean, he also takes the piss out of the Terrence Higgins Aids Trust and wanking on backs in the same routine.

I thought the likes of Brown were vulgar, but do remember laughing as a kid to Jim Davidson and him doing his 'Chalkie' impression of a black man. As a kid from Moss Side, I never thought anything of it at the time, and why it would be so offensive to the kids I grew up with?

I still love In Sickness and in Health, Rising Damp, Fawlty Towers, Fools and Horses, all with racist jokes in them, all comedies which still make me laugh.

As you become older, you become educated, but that doesn't mean that some stuff I found funny back then, I also don't find funny now.

I try to apply context, although hearing the Major use the N and P words in the very first episode of Fawlty Towers is where the line deviates away from intended comedy and reflects a time when society wasn't so culturally mixed and informed?

If we cancel everybody, in the end the ability to respect a different perspective or debate a position, will be a thing of the past?

Anyhow, in 20 years Tommy Cooper will still be brilliantly funny and Freddie Starr will still be shit.
 
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Society in general has had bastards in in since we started to talk and interact, today there are just as many bastards as ever there were, the only difference is that the new generation of bastards are calling the older generation of bastards out for being not their type of bastards.

In 30 years time the new bastards will be the old bastards and new definitions of bastardom will be written for a whole new generation of upcoming bastards who will vilify the bastards they think are bigger bastards than they are, but in reality the human race is and still will be full of bastards who do the same things that the old bastards do but with different targets in mind.

I'm sure they used to piss their sides in the Colosseum when Gladiators were cutting heads off!

That's entertainment, folks!
 
I found the below an interesting take on it. And half insinuates the point you are making.


That is a good take, but I don't think it insinuates what you think it does.
 
I can’t read most of that as it’s behind a paywall. I can have a half decent guess at the main idea of his viewpoint though.

Is it that we’re more sensitive towards “edgy” subjects these days? Maybe, but I don’t think the majority are.

Social media given a voice to anybody who wants one. This is great in allowing minorities to be heard.

It’s not great for different groups to gang up on specific targets to marginalise people for one specific thing.

Whenever any person does something that propels them to the Twitter(and other social media) spotlight, people won’t stop moaning until they are cancelled. It’s like people are addicted to cancelling people.

Look at Kurt Zouma today. The bloke has kicked and abused a cat. The guy’s a **** for doing so. He deserves to be prosecuted, fined and banned from keeping pets for however long is appropriate.

The clamour online is for him never to play football for West Ham again. Some even think he shouldn’t play for anyone again!

Just click "I'll try later" there's no paywall.
 
I can’t read most of that as it’s behind a paywall. I can have a half decent guess at the main idea of his viewpoint though.

Is it that we’re more sensitive towards “edgy” subjects these days? Maybe, but I don’t think the majority are.

Social media given a voice to anybody who wants one. This is great in allowing minorities to be heard.

It’s not great for different groups to gang up on specific targets to marginalise people for one specific thing.

Whenever any person does something that propels them to the Twitter(and other social media) spotlight, people won’t stop moaning until they are cancelled. It’s like people are addicted to cancelling people.

Look at Kurt Zouma today. The bloke has kicked and abused a cat. The guy’s a **** for doing so. He deserves to be prosecuted, fined and banned from keeping pets for however long is appropriate.

The clamour online is for him never to play football for West Ham again. Some even think he shouldn’t play for anyone again!

Is it? didn't realize they had a paywall, not one I've ever paid for before.

You are right, it is predictable, and.not too dissimilar to whatna few of us on here have been saying ourselves. Just nice to see a bit of balance, and note of context (and I'll add, setting).
 

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