Jo Swinson

Regards the Tories, I think it would be a mistake to judge them on the back of 11 years of austerity. The Tories have always been strong on law and order for example, and it's only the need for pretty swathing public spending cuts which have caused the pains you describe. The lying to the Queen bit, I cannot argue with, but seriously is that any reason to vote in a way which might let Corbyn in??? I mean seriously, Corbyn???????

I can only judge them on their results and no true Conservative would have let crime get so out of control by cutting the police, it’s unforgivable. I have conservative social views with a few exceptions, such as LGBT rights which are traditionally more in line with liberalism. They have also left a void when it comes to families and putting family life at the heart of society, another thing a true Conservative shouldn’t neglect and something that has led to a breakdown of society.

I’m not necessarily voting in Corbyn or voting a way to allow him in, Johnson will win a majority regardless of my vote.
 
I expect you won't be on your own

I live in a Labour safe seat so I really wish we had PR in this country.. I will vote when asked but not for the local favourite

Mine is Tory/LibDems and pretty tight I reckon. Tory’s hold it but following the Euro elections, the LibDems have made a stunning come back.

I’m going to have to look at individual candidates incredibly closely, more so than I normally would, which is to vote for the party based on manifesto.
 
Mine is Tory/LibDems and pretty tight I reckon. Tory’s hold it but following the Euro elections, the LibDems have made a stunning come back.

I’m going to have to look at individual candidates incredibly closely, more so than I normally would, which is to vote for the party based on manifesto.
That's the only positive for me from this whole fiasco.. some voters (not all) are finally past the "pig in a suit" mentality and therefore realise what their vote means instead of choosing to vote for the same party they always have

Not sure I'd call it progress but at times like this you have to look for something or go mad with it all..
 
Corbyn would be no worse than the bumbling oaf. Two cheeks on a very shitty arse.
Genuinely, seriously, very seriouly, I think you are wildly wrong in that belief.

When I look at Corbyn's policies, I think however well-intentioned, they would be INCREDIBLY damaging to our economy. And ultimately it is ONLY our economy which can sustainably pay for any public services at all. If we damage the economy then ultimately everyone is worse off.
  • Unilaterally raising corporation tax, just at the time when foreign businesses will be deciding whether they want to invest (or continue to invest) in the UK, is just insane. It's madness.
  • Putting caps on exec pay, ditto.
  • Increasing workers rights and ending zero-hours contracts, ditto.
  • Increasing the top rate of tax and reducing the higher rate bands, ditto.
  • Meddling with company board structures, ditto.

All of these things will make the UK a less attractive place for companies to invest. They may be well-intentioned but they are entirely counter-productive. And don't get me started on the ludicrous and grossly unaffordable re-nationalisation plans. Idiotic policies driven by nothing more than idealogy and a desire to move the UK to a more socialist-style economy. But at great cost and for no benefit.
 
Yes he would be a catastrophe, Boris has already been a catastrophe and will continue to be whilst he and the Tories remain in office. No worse than Corbyn.
I really don't think so. Apart from his oafishness, look objectively at where he's got us.

He took over a Tory party hopelessly riven from top to bottom and looking like they were destroyed as a party, and now everyone is saying they'd win the next GE and get a majority. The EU said there's no way on planet earth they will renegotiate the WA and since Boris took over, they have. I could go on.

He's an annoying twat, granted, and his behaviour is appalling at times. But he gets things done. As mayor, he ran London very competently indeed. I think he will do the same for the UK if allowed to continue.
 
I really don't think so. Apart from his oafishness, look objectively at where he's got us.

He took over a Tory party hopelessly riven from top to bottom and looking like they were destroyed as a party, and now everyone is saying they'd win the next GE and get a majority. The EU said there's no way on planet earth they will renegotiate the WA and since Boris took over, they have. I could go on.

He's an annoying twat, granted, and his behaviour is appalling at times. But he gets things done. As mayor, he ran London very competently indeed. I think he will do the same for the UK if allowed to continue.

He surely will be
 
I really don't think so. Apart from his oafishness, look objectively at where he's got us.

He took over a Tory party hopelessly riven from top to bottom and looking like they were destroyed as a party, and now everyone is saying they'd win the next GE and get a majority. The EU said there's no way on planet earth they will renegotiate the WA and since Boris took over, they have. I could go on.

He's an annoying twat, granted, and his behaviour is appalling at times. But he gets things done. As mayor, he ran London very competently indeed. I think he will do the same for the UK if allowed to continue.

Ask yourself why the EU negotiated with him? Answer because despite what the remain mafia would like you to believe they the EU were and are shitting it about a no deal happening. It would/will fuck them up at least as much if not more than us.

I know people who live in London and non would claim to be particularly impressed by Boris time as mayor...He will be a disaster for this country, the problem being so would Corbyn or indeed Swinson.......which leaves us in a bit of a spot!
 
Of course he will be.

He’ll have most leave votes and Tory remainers onside.

I dont think he will get many non Tory leave voters...he certainly wont get mine.

Even under the current circumstances I think that voters will by and large vote for the party they usually do regardless of Brexit position.

After all there are millions not in favour of Brexit enough infact to sweep Jo Swinson into Downing Street which given the Lib Dems position on Brexit is surely the thing to do if you wish to remain? Despite this those remainers will vote for Labour or Tory as usual.

Jo Swinson offers a certain end to Brexit, yet she will get no where near.
 
Had three leaflets this past month posted by the postman all from the lib dumbs,the latest is telling me that Swinsons Britain’s next prime minister
Looks like they have lots of money to spend not had any from any other party
 
I dont think he will get many non Tory leave voters...he certainly wont get mine.

Even under the current circumstances I think that voters will by and large vote for the party they usually do regardless of Brexit position.

After all there are millions not in favour of Brexit enough infact to sweep Jo Swinson into Downing Street which given the Lib Dems position on Brexit is surely the thing to do if you wish to remain? Despite this those remainers will vote for Labour or Tory as usual.

Jo Swinson offers a certain end to Brexit, yet she will get no where near.

Maybe because she's a total hypocrite who once campaigned for leave but now suddenly she is an anti-democratic remainer who would ignore a 2nd INDYREF if the electorate chose leave again

Nothing to do with the multi-million pound grants her husband gets from the EU for his business though
 
Maybe because she's a total hypocrite who once campaigned for leave but now suddenly she is an anti-democratic remainer who would ignore a 2nd INDYREF if the electorate chose leave again

Nothing to do with the multi-million pound grants her husband gets from the EU for his business though

Like the others they have all got fingers in pies and are motivated self progression and financial gain. So no surprise there then. Despite this she is the leader of a party who have nailed their colours to the mast and committed to remaining in the EU should they win the election.

Now to hear all the bleating from remainers you would conclude that doing just that and remaining in the EU is the most important thing in the universe. So why will they not vote for Swinson? That is in truth quite possibly the only election outcome that will see the UK remain in the EU.

People talk about tactical voting, surely everyone who wants to remain would employ this even if it were a one off?
 
Like the others they have all got fingers in pies and are motivated self progression and financial gain. So no surprise there then. Despite this she is the leader of a party who have nailed their colours to the mast and committed to remaining in the EU should they win the election.

Now to hear all the bleating from remainers you would conclude that doing just that and remaining in the EU is the most important thing in the universe. So why will they not vote for Swinson? That is in truth quite possibly the only election outcome that will see the UK remain in the EU.

People talk about tactical voting, surely everyone who wants to remain would employ this even if it were a one off?
Hard to believe with so much hypocrisy around but I think that people (voters) stick to their principles.. she has changed coat at least once and will therefore suffer the consequences because some do not trust her...

She'll be switching to the SNP at some point I expect when we've left and remaining in the EU becomes the only possible target for those north of the border...
 
I dont think he will get many non Tory leave voters...he certainly wont get mine.

Even under the current circumstances I think that voters will by and large vote for the party they usually do regardless of Brexit position.

After all there are millions not in favour of Brexit enough infact to sweep Jo Swinson into Downing Street which given the Lib Dems position on Brexit is surely the thing to do if you wish to remain? Despite this those remainers will vote for Labour or Tory as usual.

Jo Swinson offers a certain end to Brexit, yet she will get no where near.

She’s doesn’t though. Revoking now will prolong the whole thing for years to come as leavers won’t simply give it up on the back of one GE. If she gets in, as a majority, and presses the revoke button, it’ll be the main event at GE’s for the next decade at least.
 
Hard to believe with so much hypocrisy around but I think that people (voters) stick to their principles.. she has changed coat at least once and will therefore suffer the consequences because some do not trust her...

She'll be switching to the SNP at some point I expect when we've left and remaining in the EU becomes the only possible target for those north of the border...

Boris has also changed his colours...he was a remainer until the opportunity to take the limelight (and money) and progress his ambitions. As a leaver I do not trust this man to lead the country through a departure from the UK. I would personally rather remain than leave under this idiot.
 
She’s doesn’t though. Revoking now will prolong the whole thing for years to come as leavers won’t simply give it up on the back of one GE. If she gets in, as a majority, and presses the revoke button, it’ll be the main event at GE’s for the next decade at least.

Totally agree that pressing the revoke button will not bring much closure to the who thing, but what will?

Swinson will revoke if she gets in which will at the very least mean it would be years before we did leave if ever. Equally if the oaf gets his way and takes us out with a deal it only takes some of the predicted doom and gloom becoming real and he and the Tories will get kicked out. At which point we will probably have a non Corbyn lead Labour party who might well be offering a vote to rejoin the EU.....

If people are looking for a party not lead and represented by self serving people in it for themselves they wont find one here at the moment sadly.
 
I cannot in effect put my name to something or someone I dont believe in. As I agree with your sentiments regarding Labour and Conservative, have no love for Swinson, and Farage blew it for me when suggesting he may get into bed with the Tories. Why vote for a person or indeed party whom you have no faith in or do not agree with what they stand for?

I guess my point is that in a FPTP system you have to pick based on two factors:

1) do they have a chance, discard any option that has no realistic chance and
2) chose the least worst from what is left.

I voted for PR as I think that is a much better system - but Tories and Lab killed it of to retain their monopoly. We are stuck with what we have got, its winner takes all so you have to vote for an option you can live with sometimes instead of what you really want. If you don't vote then you are only enabling the shit show that we have.
 

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