Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Prestwich_Blue]

Lost our soul in 2008, pal.

I think we sold that our soul before 2008.

 

[SWP's back]

What forever?

Nah. That'd be stupid.

Just whilst the cups on are on. He obviously wouldn't be tied when they aren't.

 

[kaz7]

Telegraph say everton have not backed away from a loan deal but want help with his wages
So much for them rolling in money

 

[mosssideblue]

Neuer's a bad example, he's like the messi of keepers! My point is that the best teams already have the best keepers in place. For arguments sake let's say Joe is in the best 5 keepers in the league, which he is, and then in the top 10 in the world. The top 5 teams already have keepers in the top 5 themselves and so on with the top 10 in the world. It's not like an outfield player who can be rotated, subbed on and off etc, your either number 1 or not.
I just think it's a very weak argument towards Joe's ability to say no ones come in for him yet, it's just not the same as an outfield signing.
Why would a team spend £30m on a position already tendered for by someone of near same ability? Those teams he would improve vastly, more than likely can't match the price or wages.

By your logic, isn't Joe now in the top 6 of the league :)

 

[SWP's back]

Lost our soul in 2008, pal.

Middle class wankers ruined it for everyone, brah

 

[manctheknife]

Next you'll be telling me that you call 'Cesar ' 'Mr Dog', you fucking luddite.

Not sure about that one...my dog is a strict kibble man. But, whilst working in India recently I did on many an occasion, and to the chagrin of my hosts refer to Mumbai as Bombay....if that makes me a luddite, then luddite I be squire.

 

[domalino]

Telegraph say everton have not backed away from a loan deal but want help with his wages
So much for them rolling in money

They are handcuffed by the cap on wage increases. They're only allowed to up the wage bill by X% per year.

 

[Silva Is Magic]

I completely agree with all of that.....

My comments were aimed at the less than respectful ones of some of our supposed" fans."

The only tiny bit i question is the bit about not being good engouh with his feet or not having the ability to be better...if you watch a lot of the training videos with hart just messing around shooting etc you can see that he is very good with his feet (or looks to be anyway - scoring goals etc - now i know that this is him just messing around at the end of trainmen sessions etc and in a real game situation it becomes a lot harder but I think the skill is probably one that is there and one that would be coachable.

This leads me to think that its a question of whether Joe wants to do it or not...if this is the case as I said its understandable why Joe might not want to wait a year to put it all into practise.....his England place is in danger (it is anyway but more so now) .

Like i said..if it was me Id hang around as I wouldn't give a stuff about England but I can understand he would (and many others would) think different

My only complaint would be that if Pep or the coaches are just saying no you won't be able to do that without giving him a chance - but that is obviously highly unlikely and would show a great deal of ignorance from a man who is completely the opposite of ignorant

Your reasoning is that Hart has got it in him to play the way Pep wants him to play. You also raise concerns over whether Pep and his coaching staff are not giving him a chance to prove himself.

I think for the latter part of your assertion, I'd ask you to listen to Pep explaining to the media in his Pre-match press conference vs Stoke (). Pep quite painstakingly lays it all bare about the situation and tells us that Hart has the option of training at City and improve his skills. He cites the example of Eric Abidal and says that Abidal was nowhere near the player Pep wanted, but after a year of coaching, became the best Left sided defender in Europe. So you can rest assured that the man is clearly NOT ignorant. All he is telling him is that Joe would not be Number 1.

Regarding Joe's ability with his feet, it is sufficient to say that a match environment is different to a training environment. I'd rather judge a player on his match performances. I've observed Joe playing a lot of his recent games and nothing gives me any hope in that regard.

 

[bumbleblue]

Next you'll be telling me that you call 'Cesar ' 'Mr Dog', you fucking luddite.

Yep and "Snickers" : "A Marathon"

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

It would appear things may be going whoosh over your head yeah.

See this is what happens when you join in half way through a convo