John Stones - 2017/18 performances

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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
and its the only mistake/ lose of concentration ( 120 minutes/ maguire at fault swell) that he made all tournament.
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No it wasn't, sure he got caught daydreaming on the ball in midfield with about 10 mins to go in regular time and Croatia should have done more with that opportunity.

I think he'd a good tournament, as did Maguire.

But don't act like he was flawless.

The guy has lots of talent, he's proven that. He also has one f**k up in him every 90 mins. We have to accept that because that is the most consistent thing about him to date in his career. And before you get all defensive on him again, I firmly believe he's gotten nowhere near his ceiling and we'll see a better Stones every year for the next 3 or so, but that error will always be sat there waiting to be exposed.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
No it wasn't, sure he got caught daydreaming on the ball in midfield with about 10 mins to go in regular time and Croatia should have done more with that opportunity.

I think he'd a good tournament, as did Maguire.

But don't act like he was flawless.

The guy has lots of talent, he's proven that. He also has one f**k up in him every 90 mins. We have to accept that because that is the most consistent thing about him to date in his career. And before you get all defensive on him again, I firmly believe he's gotten nowhere near his ceiling and we'll see a better Stones every year for the next 3 or so, but that error will always be sat there waiting to be exposed.
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there isn't a cb around who doesn't have a flaw waiting to be exposed, it's called being human
 
BJL_City said:
there isn't a cb around who doesn't have a flaw waiting to be exposed, it's called being human
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Not at the rate Stones has them. He mentally switches off at times. I don't think that is something that can be coached out of him either.

So I do believe he'll get much, much better in other areas and become regarded as world class, but those brain farts are gonna be there every single game.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Not at the rate Stones has them. He mentally switches off at times. I don't think that is something that can be coached out of him either.

So I do believe he'll get much, much better in other areas and become regarded as world class, but those brain farts are gonna be there every single game.
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they aren't though, you're just exaggerating. Considering he was doing young's, maguire's, trippier's and henderson's jobs for them for most of the tournament it's unsurprising that he eventually makes a couple of partial errors.
 
BJL_City said:
they aren't though, you're just exaggerating. Considering he was doing young's, maguire's, trippier's and henderson's jobs for them for most of the tournament it's unsurprising that he eventually makes a couple of partial errors.
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Give over will ya. Maguire had a fine tournament. Trippier, fine. Young, fine defensively.

Even if I was to take your comments on merit, what about the 20 or mistakes he's made since signing for us?

I guess this is the part where you say I'm exaggerating too. Last season alone I can think of Everton in the season opener and Liverpool away and that's without giving it too much thought. He was also out injured for a huge chunk of last season or wasn't a starter. Season before, he easily had 12-15 errors(whether they lead to goals or not is another thing).

He's error prone. I'm happy to accept that's the trade off for his talent the other 99% of the time, because he's a bloody good footballer in this system. But don't act like he isn't.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Give over will ya. Maguire had a fine tournament. Trippier, fine. Young, fine defensively.

Even if I was to take your comments on merit, what about the 20 or mistakes he's made since signing for us?

I guess this is the part where you say I'm exaggerating too. Last season alone I can think of Everton in the season opener and Liverpool away and that's without giving it too much thought. He was also out injured for a huge chunk of last season or wasn't a starter. Season before, he easily had 12-15 errors(whether they lead to goals or not is another thing).

He's error prone. I'm happy to accept that's the trade off for his talent the other 99% of the time, because he's a bloody good footballer in this system. But don't act like he isn't.
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because you're exaggerating. maguire and trippier were only fine because they were covered and nannied by stones and walker. young was shite defensively all tournament and couldn't handle a half fit Croatian fullback so it's a blessing we don't have to suffer him against mbappe

stones is no more error prone than ramos, pique, boateng, kompany, otamendi, umtiti et Al. yes, he makes errors, but like raz I'd rather have a special talent who makes the occasional fluff than one of the rags who have done fuck all and been an abortion all tournament.
 
I’ve long been on the fence regarding Stones. I find myself agreeing with those that say he has a mistake in him every game. I’m also though, impressed with his skill and overall contribution to the team (City and England). I had a little think and don’t believe that we have a perfect player in the squad. All of them, even David and Kev, have weaknesses in their game. I’m not sure he makes any more mistakes than his teammates. Even Komps averages a couple of mistakes every game.
 
Stones has also developed into a major goal-scoring threat at set pieces. He was a defensive header off the line away from netting a goal that prob would have seen England lining up on Sunday.
 
Gutted we’re not getting Jorginho. Obviously transfer dealings are complex and none of the journous can accurately report the real reason or reasons of why this deal fell through but if it was money, I struggle to understand why we’ve taken a hard stance to save a few million quid because now every club knows we desperately need a defensive central midfielder and will attempt to fleece us.
 
Sunnysideupp said:
Gutted we’re not getting Jorginho. Obviously transfer dealings are complex and none of the journous can accurately report the real reason or reasons of why this deal fell through but if it was money, I struggle to understand why we’ve taken a hard stance to save a few million quid because now every club knows we desperately need a defensive central midfielder and will attempt to fleece us.
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What does that have to do with John Stones' performances?
 
BJL_City said:
they aren't though, you're just exaggerating. Considering he was doing young's, maguire's, trippier's and henderson's jobs for them for most of the tournament it's unsurprising that he eventually makes a couple of partial errors.
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So it was actually Henderson's, Tripper's and Maguire's fault... Roger that.
 
lasereyes said:
Stones has also developed into a major goal-scoring threat at set pieces. He was a defensive header off the line away from netting a goal that prob would have seen England lining up on Sunday.
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Let me get this straight. He scores two goals (his only goals in the English shirt) against a terrible, terrible Panama side. He scores 0 goals, 0 assiast and creates a total of zero chances during the 2017/2018 PL season, and all of the sudden you see a goalscorer in the making?

He has qualities that are far more vital to a possession oriented team, but surely you can not claim that goalscoring is one of his virtues?
 
Drubas said:
So it was actually Henderson's, Tripper's and Maguire's fault... Roger that.
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they didn't help, better players had to do half their jobs for them and couldn't rely on pik in return, would have been 3/4-1 to Croatia after 90 without stones + walker, bailed that side out for too long
 
Drubas said:
Let me get this straight. He scores two goals (his only goals in the English shirt) against a terrible, terrible Panama side. He scores 0 goals, 0 assiast and creates a total of zero chances during the 2017/2018 PL season, and all of the sudden you see a goalscorer in the making?

He has qualities that are far more vital to a possession oriented team, but surely you can not claim that goalscoring is one of his virtues?
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He scored three goals in the CL and also a couple in last pre season. He's very good in the air and a big threat.
 
Drubas said:
Let me get this straight. He scores two goals (his only goals in the English shirt) against a terrible, terrible Panama side. He scores 0 goals, 0 assiast and creates a total of zero chances during the 2017/2018 PL season, and all of the sudden you see a goalscorer in the making?

He has qualities that are far more vital to a possession oriented team, but surely you can not claim that goalscoring is one of his virtues?
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I think it's really obvious to anyone who's watched him at the world cup or the beginning of last season that he's capable of being a major threat at set pieces.

You've missed out the header cleared off the line against Croatia and that Kane's opener vs. Tunisia came from a Stones header.


When his confidence is up, he's very good at attacking the ball.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
No it wasn't, sure he got caught daydreaming on the ball in midfield with about 10 mins to go in regular time and Croatia should have done more with that opportunity.

I think he'd a good tournament, as did Maguire.

But don't act like he was flawless.

The guy has lots of talent, he's proven that. He also has one f**k up in him every 90 mins. We have to accept that because that is the most consistent thing about him to date in his career. And before you get all defensive on him again, I firmly believe he's gotten nowhere near his ceiling and we'll see a better Stones every year for the next 3 or so, but that error will always be sat there waiting to be exposed.
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where have i done/said that. yes he does make mistakes, but again name me a defender that doesnt make mistakes or lose concentration ? the points youve made above can all be applied to otamendi, Kompany and laporte last season. most the best defenders in the world cup were caught day dreaming' - ramos, godin.......for me people want a perfect defender when there is no such thing. stones yes he does have a mistake in him, but overall the potential is huge. the world cup showed that.

im gettign defensive because i dont really see a need to criticize him. ( not saying you have)
 
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