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John Stones
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Again, this is mostly revisionist history.Lescott made Kompany a better player when next to him & was part of, imo, the best cb pairing City have had since Watson & Doyle.
The rest of Komapny's partners since have just dragged him down a level & made him work harder.
None have been fit to lace Lescott's boots as defenders & probably don't even keep the ball significantly better in spite of all the criticism he received for that. On top of that he was a great personality who fought heart & soul for the team .
Imo that makes him a bargain, & one of the key signings of the era where we turned from serial losers to winners & we will be lucky to replace him with the next 100 mil we spend. As a defender we probably won't replace him. We'll just learn to accept much less because the passing is good
1. We played a more defensive style for a good portion of that period.
2. Between fall 2010 and Fall 2012 Kompany was in fact the best individual defender in the world. This is before the injuries began to plague him constantly and he began to decline. That Lescott was his partner at the time was incidental, not causal.
Check Kompany for Belgium in that period and he was great. Check Lescott for England he was average.
3. We played with 2 DMs Barry and DeJong. Both well Schooled in helping protect defense to the detriment of our offense.
4. Kompany's littany of injuries began to pile up just as Lescott was being replaced. The Injury caused Kompany's and our defense' decline, not the loss of Lescott. This can easily be verified by the fact that anytime Kompany stayed healthy long enough to get into footballing shape, he returned again some excellent top class performances regardless of who his partner was.. Unfortunately, those became rear the more injuries he picked up.
Lescott was a ripoff. A stiff skill bereft bigman who was lucky to be purchased by a growing team that couldn't get top end talent at the time. He served us well. And I thankhim for it. But let's ease up on the false attributions.
I don't think we've purchased a weaker CB since Lescott.
mosssideblue
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Haven't read most of this thread but is this forum speculation or is the club genuinely interested in him?
Neville Kneville
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Again, this is mostly revisionist history.
1. We played a more defensive style for a good portion of that period.
2. Between fall 2010 and Fall 2012 Kompany was in fact the best individual defender in the world. This is before the injuries began to plague him constantly and he began to decline. That Lescott was his partner at the time was incidental, not causal.
Check Kompany for Belgium in that period and he was great. Check Lescott for England he was average.
3. We played with 2 DMs Barry and DeJong. Both well Schooled in helping protect defense to the detriment of our offense.
4. Kompany's littany of injuries began to pile up just as Lescott was being replaced. The Injury caused Kompany's and our defense' decline, not the loss of Lescott. This can easily be verified by the fact that anytime Kompany stayed healthy long enough to get into footballing shape, he returned again some excellent top class performances regardless of who his partner was.. Unfortunately, those became rear the more injuries he picked up.
Lescott was a ripoff. A stiff skill bereft bigman who was lucky to be purchased by a growing team that couldn't get top end talent at the time. He served us well. And I thankhim for it. But let's ease up on the false attributions.
I don't think we've purchased a weaker CB since Lescott.
It doesn't surprise me that you are unable to appreciate Lescott & assume it was all coincidence that their partnership was the best, state mitigating circumstances for that & for everyone else not being as good, but then rely on blindly quoting statistics to suit many of your other arguments.
Nope. I use stats as a part of every argument. Including this. Just didn't want to bore you with it.It doesn't surprise me that you are unable to appreciate Lescott & assume it was all coincidence that their partnership was the best, state mitigating circumstances for that & for everyone else not being as good, but then rely on blindly quoting statistics to suit many of your other arguments.
But since you asked, I'll oblige. :)
The fact that he was statistically our lowest rated defender supported my point. The fact he made the fewee # of tackles, and interceptions than any other defender bar the often injured Richards pointed to this too. The fact that Deyong and Barry also made more Tackles and interceptions also hints at our defense's strenght in midfield. The fact that he was making tackles at the same rate as David Silva also raised an eyebrow.
But I figured you didn't want to know all that. So I argued using metrics you liked. I.E. "partnerships". So I argued it can't be the case he made Komps better if Komps was good regardless of partner, and if he couldn't make his other partners look good.
Whether by stat, deductive reasoning, or simply watching: No metric supports your claim outside of "faulty memory revisionism."
There was no year Lescott was here bar 2009-10, that City didn't attempt to buy a CB to replace him. He was the weak link. The stats showed it, the coaches knew it, and management kept up the search for a deserving Kompany sidekick.
That Kompany' regressed and became injury prone had nothing to do with the weakness that was Lescott.
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He was the last hope for the rags but they couldn't push through the emergency transfer to Bournemouth in time.
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It wasn't coincidence, but it was because of Mancini in a big part. Nastasic looked like a world beater in many games under Mancini, then become a complete joke.It doesn't surprise me that you are unable to appreciate Lescott & assume it was all coincidence that their partnership was the best, state mitigating circumstances for that & for everyone else not being as good, but then rely on blindly quoting statistics to suit many of your other arguments.
Still, hopefully, our defenders will employ a sort of a similar playing style under Pep's guidance as it was in these last 3 seasons, and I have some hope that Otamendi will become an important feature in our starting eleven (especially if Kompany cannot sort himself out).
It doesn't surprise me that you are unable to appreciate Lescott & assume it was all coincidence that their partnership was the best, state mitigating circumstances for that & for everyone else not being as good, but then rely on blindly quoting statistics to suit many of your other arguments.
Seems to be a lot of revisionism going on here. Lescott was average but played at a time where we had Mancini and Kompany in his prime and had defensive cover from midfield (Barry and De Jong). Lescott couldn't control the ball, couldn't pass and his defensive work was hit and miss and was littered with mistakes, as we all remember that infamous header in the QPR game that nearly cost us the title. Plus since he left us he has been absolute gash and Villa fans fucking hate him.
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Lescott made Kompany a better player when next to him & was part of, imo, the best cb pairing City have had since Watson & Doyle.
The rest of Komapny's partners since have just dragged him down a level & made him work harder.
None have been fit to lace Lescott's boots as defenders & probably don't even keep the ball significantly better in spite of all the criticism he received for that. On top of that he was a great personality who fought heart & soul for the team .
Imo that makes him a bargain, & one of the key signings of the era where we turned from serial losers to winners & we will be lucky to replace him with the next 100 mil we spend. As a defender we probably won't replace him. We'll just learn to accept much less because the passing is good
I agree that when they played together, they were a great pairing and Lescott was probably the better defender, although he never got the credit.
He clearly wasn't comfy with the ball at his feet - he looked like I do if I try and kick with my left foot but as a defender, we haven't come close to replacing him.
He definitely wasn't worth £24m at the time though which brings us back to Stones. Whilst I'm not a fan, he has a value but I don't see it as £40m+. Basic economics of opportunity cost should show what else we could buy with the money - I suspect you could get Van Dijk and Alderweireld for not much more than Stones would cost and there would be better bargains abroad
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Lescott made Kompany better? wtf haha
Lescott was a liability, esp. in the CL
Lescott was a liability, esp. in the CL
sk3ptical
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yeah at costing our team goals lolJohn Stones is going to be top draw and it's going to take around £40 million for the deal to go through. For some reason I really think it will happen.
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I don't think we need 2 new central defenders (if we are also after laporte). Our defenders over the last few years struggled because of the way MP set out his team and especially with he way he had his midfield set up....Our central defenders were often left with huge gapping holes infant of them with 20 yds of space to cover. No centre half no matter how good they are wants that with the opposition midfielders and attackers given free license and huge space to run at you. Its a nightmare scenario.......
I expect (and hope) that Pep needs to solidify our central midfield area especially and this will greatly help out the defenders.....especially mangala and otto, (VK is one of the few defenders in world football who can cope well with the scenario he was often left in due to MP's tactics).
We need one central defender to replace MDM (either laporte or stones). with the return of Denayer, I don't see the need for two (unless the rumours about Denayer being turned into a right back are true)
Midfield is the key...this will greatly improve our defensive solidity.....then the only real issue is replacing Mdm and what to do about VK's calf problem (though his latest injury is just pure bad luck and nothing to do with his calf)
I expect (and hope) that Pep needs to solidify our central midfield area especially and this will greatly help out the defenders.....especially mangala and otto, (VK is one of the few defenders in world football who can cope well with the scenario he was often left in due to MP's tactics).
We need one central defender to replace MDM (either laporte or stones). with the return of Denayer, I don't see the need for two (unless the rumours about Denayer being turned into a right back are true)
Midfield is the key...this will greatly improve our defensive solidity.....then the only real issue is replacing Mdm and what to do about VK's calf problem (though his latest injury is just pure bad luck and nothing to do with his calf)
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As mentioned, I feel the main problem with the central defenders was that they had no protection in front of them...for most of the season they were left one on one with an attacking midfield/forward player with little help from the CM position....I'd like to see us sign Laporte but feel they'll all struggle if we dont improve the CM position....
Again, this is mostly revisionist history.
1. We played a more defensive style for a good portion of that period.
2. Between fall 2010 and Fall 2012 Kompany was in fact the best individual defender in the world. This is before the injuries began to plague him constantly and he began to decline. That Lescott was his partner at the time was incidental, not causal.
Check Kompany for Belgium in that period and he was great. Check Lescott for England he was average.
3. We played with 2 DMs Barry and DeJong. Both well Schooled in helping protect defense to the detriment of our offense.
4. Kompany's littany of injuries began to pile up just as Lescott was being replaced. The Injury caused Kompany's and our defense' decline, not the loss of Lescott. This can easily be verified by the fact that anytime Kompany stayed healthy long enough to get into footballing shape, he returned again some excellent top class performances regardless of who his partner was.. Unfortunately, those became rear the more injuries he picked up.
Lescott was a ripoff. A stiff skill bereft bigman who was lucky to be purchased by a growing team that couldn't get top end talent at the time. He served us well. And I thankhim for it. But let's ease up on the false attributions.
I don't think we've purchased a weaker CB since Lescott.
Savic, Nastasic, Demichelis, Mangala, Otamendi (so far)..?? Wtf you been smoking...
Every single one, and Boateng was a better footballer. Savic may be the exception, as he was shot on confidence while here. But all the others were better footballers.Savic, Nastasic, Demichelis, Mangala, Otamendi (so far)..?? Wtf you been smoking...
Every single one, and Boateng was a better footballer. Savic may be the exception, as he was shot on confidence while here. But all the others were better footballers.
Jesus.... If you seriously think any of the players I mentioned were not weaker or better defenders for us, than Lescott.... Then I watch football from a parallel universe to you... And I was never Lescotts biggest fan.
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Read my comments carefully and correctly.Jesus.... If you seriously think any of the players I mentioned were weaker or better defenders for us, than Lescott.... Then I watch football from a parallel universe to you... And I was never Lescotts biggest fan.
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Just read an article stating guardiola could play Laporte left back with stones CB and carvahal rb with vinny CB they had pogba sane gundogan Kdb and Sanchez as midfieldI don't think we need 2 new central defenders (if we are also after laporte). Our defenders over the last few years struggled because of the way MP set out his team and especially with he way he had his midfield set up....Our central defenders were often left with huge gapping holes infant of them with 20 yds of space to cover. No centre half no matter how good they are wants that with the opposition midfielders and attackers given free license and huge space to run at you. Its a nightmare scenario.......
I expect (and hope) that Pep needs to solidify our central midfield area especially and this will greatly help out the defenders.....especially mangala and otto, (VK is one of the few defenders in world football who can cope well with the scenario he was often left in due to MP's tactics).
We need one central defender to replace MDM (either laporte or stones). with the return of Denayer, I don't see the need for two (unless the rumours about Denayer being turned into a right back are true)
Midfield is the key...this will greatly improve our defensive solidity.....then the only real issue is replacing Mdm and what to do about VK's calf problem (though his latest injury is just pure bad luck and nothing to do with his calf)
Read my comments carefully and correctly.
I don't think we've purchased a weaker centre back since Lescott..... Is what you said...
I named 5 off the bat who have been, weaker than Lescott ever was...!!??
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