John Stones

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RandomJ said:
Of course we would. English or not he's one of the best ball playing defenders in the world. If anything it's the English thing that has put off other clubs as if he were Spanish and cheaper then nearly everyone would be in the race for him.
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Blue tints on there my friend. His defensive qualities we can already match/better with what we have
 
I agree he's not the best defender. I think Everton are asking too much. I would like us to get a proven top quality defensive midfielder and convert him to CB, as Pep has done before.
 
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Mr Ed (The Stables) said:
He wasn't great tonight made a couple of mistakes that in a real game might have led to them conceeding.

This lad isn't worth £50m imo, if we wait 35 months we can get him for nothing and he'll still be a youngster in the grand scheme of things.

However if Pep wants him that badly then I suppose we are going to have to close the deal.
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So you want us to wait 3 years to sign a player on a free! Pmsl. that has brightened my day right up. Thankyou.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
I agree....I think as fans (can only speak for myself)we look at things very black and white and easy for me to say....If we rate him a 40mil+ add-ons type player....whats 5mil when we clearly rate him highly but understand the club cant or shouldnt always look at things in this way....
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It's how we're trying to do all deals. It's basically our way of financially managing the risk involved in signing a young player. If he doesn't meet his potential or our expectations we've put down a lower sum so offset some of that risk. Rightly, Everton want the full fee now, but as with other deals I'm sure we'll get our way.

Add-ons probably take an age to negotiate because we'll probably say we'll pay £X on X no. of appearances and Everton will haggle and say we'll pay £X amount more on fewer no. of appearances. It becomes a deal within a deal. With the amount of cash we're paying at the moment we're needing to offset as much money as possible when we've so many players still on the books we need to, but are struggling to shift.

It will get done and I think it will be around the £40m mark with potential to rise to £50m.
 
mosssideblue said:
You did. I still think that is somewhat of an exaggeration. If he were that good, he wouldn't be plying his trade at Goodison and would have been snapped up by now, probably in Spain. He has potential at the moment
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Barca were interested and bids have been tabled by Chelsea and City - he's been trying to ply his trade else where at a top team but Everton have stopped that from happening. Bit of a ridiculous comment, really - he's only 22 as well and emerged as the player he is in the last couple of seasons (again, a time period in which top clubs have tried to buy him).
 
Everton don't look like budging. An ex pro was on the radio the other day saying he thinks city don't want the most expensive defender tag put on his shoulders.
 
jim_tolmies_perm said:
A good "list" but only VK is proven to carry the ball out of defence, but last 2 years he often over does it so he should stick to be captain of "keeping the line and standing in the right place"

Tosin in time, but not yet

Still think Stones has something none of these do...
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True, Stones has his unique advantages but arguably big disadvantages as well. Still think Otamendi, Mangala and especially Denayer could be taught to play his way, probably not as effectively, but they all have better defensive instincts than Stones.
On one hand, Stones is good with the ball at his feet, young and English. On the other hand, his record of defensive errors is a concern. That's probably something that can be coached out of his game but it's a risk.

The fee doesn't matter in some senses but as has been mentioned, I think having the £50 million price tag on top of being English will raise expectations and pile pressure on him. Everton have a player who wants to leave on their hands and they won't get a better price than the one City are offering, so why turn it down? Everton are bluffing to try and squeeze as much as they can out of this. Reckon City will call their bluff and we'll get him for under 50 in the end.

Also, if I'm not mistaken the signing of Jesus takes our total squad value up to over £500m. Not that we should give a shit what anyone thinks, but that's something to add to BT Sport commentary bingo for next season.
 
supercity88 said:
It's how we're trying to do all deals. It's basically our way of financially managing the risk involved in signing a young player. If he doesn't meet his potential or our expectations we've put down a lower sum so offset some of that risk. Rightly, Everton want the full fee now, but as with other deals I'm sure we'll get our way.

Add-ons probably take an age to negotiate because we'll probably say we'll pay £X on X no. of appearances and Everton will haggle and say we'll pay £X amount more on fewer no. of appearances. It becomes a deal within a deal. With the amount of cash we're paying at the moment we're needing to offset as much money as possible when we've so many players still on the books we need to, but are struggling to shift.

It will get done and I think it will be around the £40m mark with potential to rise to £50m.
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I,m not so sure it will. If, as reported Everton are holding out for their fee, we either pay it or walk. It makes good sense for us to offset some risk, but Everton don't feel the same way. Ball is in their court I'm afraid
 
We got shafted with Lescott and Sterling, fed up with Scousers taking the piss. Lets just look elsewhere, besides Stones isn't exactly on great form is he ? Good with the ball but hardly hard as nails in the tackle.
 
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