Jordan Peterson vs Cathy Newman C4 Interview

Agree.
Nothing highlights this better than the Lindsay Shepherd/ Wilfred Laurier Uni free speech controversy.
Ironically this manifested itself because she played part of a debate featuring Peterson, which was considered as not okay, and further castigated because she didn't condemn/critique Peterson prior to playing the clip.


I've listened to the full audio of the disciplinary meeting she recorded, and some of the stuff said and attitudes displayed the uni staff in it is pretty shocking (especially when you consider that no actual formal complaint was found to be made by any student).

Yeah I saw a little bit of that too, he did an interview with her on a radio show a while after, she leaned more to the left before all of that started and all they did was open her eyes to the ugly side of the left that nobody is allowed to talk about. I consider myself neutral/non political if there is such a thing haha.
 
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The other major issue she didn't seem to pick up on well enough imo is this idea that traits that are more commonly found in men are more linked to success in the workplace. It was a bit unclear as to whether "success in the workplace" refers to personal career success or actual success of the company. Because if it's the former, then surely that's evidence of the exact point that men are rewarded purely because of their maleness. If it's the latter, then there's more of an argument that men are in those position because they're more effective, but even then, you could argue that they're more effective because they're operating in a system that maximizes their natural traits, and devalues the qualities that women are more likely to possess. He does say at one point that this might be the case and that we simply don't have the data on that yet. But to me, saying that men get paid more than women because they happen to possess particular qualities that are better rewarded in the workplace, and therefore that doesn't count as gender bias is ridiculous, especially when it's generally men who are making the decisions as to what is valuable to a company.
err, does the market place not decide that ?
 
No, I think it's for the reason they say. It's the same reason that they disabled the comments on women's football articles on the BBC website.

Yeah. Women literally get dogs abuse on social media irrespective of the subject. My wife belongs to an on line hair group (don’t ask) and the amount of shit they get is bizarre. No idea why people go out of their way to abuse total strangers but they do. People like the OP will argue that it’s not the case or overstated with respect to women as they are pushing a narrative of which this thread is a part but it exists and it’s bloody weird.
 


Good analysis.

Wow that is actually interesting, so not only did twitter research prove there were more threats of violence and sexist remarks from the feminists/Newman supporters aimed at Peterson or his supporters by a considerable distance... one of them they found was from a published feminist journalist?

Once saying she did well not to punch him and then removing any doubt she was encouraging violent intentions by saying outright "I would have punched him". I used to find people being caught out with this level of hypocrisy quite funny because hopefully people are embarrassed enough to self reflect and adjust their behaviour but that's not happening instead it's brushed under the carpet and nobody talks about it or worse they are spinning/rewriting/revising the facts to suit their narratives. Then I think of the huge fuss that would get made if the shoe was on the other foot and it's just downright annoying and sad really, to me it seems there are certain groups clamouring for power and control and it's clear they should never have it.
 
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Yeah. Women literally get dogs abuse on social media irrespective of the subject. My wife belongs to an on line hair group (don’t ask) and the amount of shit they get is bizarre. No idea why people go out of their way to abuse total strangers but they do. People like the OP will argue that it’s not the case or overstated with respect to women as they are pushing a narrative of which this thread is a part but it exists and it’s bloody weird.

My perspective is that the internet is inherently not a safe place, and people should understand that before they use it. As Peterson says in the op video 'In order to be able to think you have to risk being offensive' (and also be expected to be offended in return).
Evidence shows that men are more likely to suffer online harassment, but it only seems to be harassment of women that gets highlighted or is considered an issue.

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A few years back i used to frequent an IT Conractors forum/site. Every year they used to take what they called a 'forum holiday'. this was where they'd 'invade/troll' another forum for a week just for shitz & giggles etc. I think they did a trainspotting site one year, then a tractor/ farm machinery site the next.
Then some bright spark came up with the idea to try the 'AIBU' (Am i Being Unreasonable..) thread (plus a couple of other threads) on mumsnet.
If you've ever ventured into mumsnet before, you can probably imagine how well it went (i.e. it didn't).

After one guy took an absolute savaging before getting kicked/banned, he returned to the contractor forum with a comment along the lines of...
'Holy F%*K. That was like the Gummie Bears trying to take on Sparta'.

So i'm of the opinion that women can handle themselves on just as well as any bloke on the internet.
What my issue tends to be is the groups (usually from the radical left) who use victimhood as a power tool, to try and control others on the internet.
 


Good analysis.


Agreed.

The few clips in that vid of Peterson's analysis of the C4 interview come from this subsequent interview.


It's nearly 2hrs long but its only the first 15mins or so where he reflects on the C4 interview & fallout (the other 1.5hrs is him talking about the concepts in his new book)
 
Wow that is actually interesting, so not only did twitter research prove there were more threats of violence and sexist remarks from the feminists/Newman supporters aimed at Peterson or his supporters by a considerable distance... one of them they found was from a published feminist journalist?

What's also interesting is the attempts at censorship by C4, with regards to anyone making negative response videos towards the original interview.
This is Karen Straughan's response to one she made, and seems typical to what happened to many others.

karen straughan 1 day ago Within ten minutes of this video going up, Channel 4 had hit me with a copyright takedown. I filed a dispute based on fair use and it's now viewable again, but have lost my monetization privileges on this video for up to 30 days, the fuckers. Gotta love it. They set it up so you can't make a dime during the period your video will get 90% of its lifetime views.

Pretty poor show from C4.
Saying that i will give C4 their due in that they made the whole interview available without it being edited in any way.
 

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