Jorginho

[birchwoodgingerste]

Hi jack...

 

[BringBackSwales]

The point is, what is stupid money? Soon that 500k a week could be the norm for top players....There is a market and market dictates what we need to pay if we want the top players....The club always has the option to walk away if not willing to match what other teams are willing to pay and Value is always subjective....Genuine question, Is it possible we "down value" a player in the market place because we feel we negotiating from a position of strength and already have best squad in the Prem? That doesnt change what a players value is on the open market, just how far we willing to go..I have no issues with us walking away from any deal but it doesnt make us mugs or being desperate, if we match or beat other offers these players have on the table....Staying on top, means you need to continue to improve the squad and buy the best players, sometimes this means you have to offer the best financial package.

You don’t need so many words to get a point over. Sanchez 500k per week, complete waste of money

 

[blueinsa]

obviously a lot of people try to make money but we both know there are some guys who are reliable for city like sam lee, Martin black burn, Simon mullock etc.

have they all said the deal is off?

 

[cityzennn93:20]

have they all said the deal is off?

For Jorginho no. But I neve said it was off I said if we do indeed get hikacked then questions need to be asked. Do you really think it's acceptable for us to be negotiating for two months only to get in a week or so by a club with no ucl? I still think we're signing him but if it doesn't happ then something went wrong somewhere and we need to fix it.

 

[FantasyIreland]

For Jorginho no. But I neve said it was off I said if we do indeed get hikacked then questions need to be asked. Do you really think it's acceptable for us to be negotiating for two months only to get in a week or so by a club with no ucl? I still think we're signing him but if it doesn't happ then something went wrong somewhere and we need to fix it.

Cuckoo

 

[blueinsa]

For Jorginho no. But I neve said it was off I said if we do indeed get hikacked then questions need to be asked. Do you really think it's acceptable for us to be negotiating for two months only to get in a week or so by a club with no ucl? I still think we're signing him but if it doesn't happ then something went wrong somewhere and we need to fix it.

Your problem is instead of trying to discuss any possible breakdown of the transfer, you instead post in a style claiming its happening and judging Txiki and laying the blame for something that is hypothetical only at his door.

Rightly so you have been challenged on it.

 

[cityzennn93:20]

Your problem is instead of trying to discuss any possible breakdown of the transfer, you instead post in a style claiming its happening and judging Txiki and laying the blame for something that is hypothetical only at his door.

Rightly so you have been challenged on it.

I never said it was happening I said IF it happens then we need to look at something. It may not be txiki it could be someone else but he is the DOF and has a large input in these transfer negotiations. So when something goes wrong a lot of people will look at him. I could be wrong and it isn't his fault and I honestly don't care who's fault it is I just want whatever could possibly happen to not happen again.

 

[CC1]

obviously a lot of people try to make money but we both know there are some guys who are reliable for city like sam lee, Martin black burn, Simon mullock etc.

Wrong again. Nothing against these people per se but they don't know anything. Look, you obviously believe everything they write (as well as other 'reports') so there is no point in discussing this any further.

However, you have no evidence whatsoever to criticise the way the club handle their negotiations. They have to have a strategy and at the moment there is no reason to think that the stance they take is wrong.

furthermore, there is currently no reason to think the planned transfers will fall through. If you believe what you read why don't you believe today's Daily Fail? I refuse to provide a link but the gist is:

Manchester City agree £60m deal with Leicester for Riyad Mahrez... with winger set for medical in next 48 hours

• Manchester City and Pep Guardiola are long-term admirers of Riyad Mahrez
• Leicester winger is closing in on a £60million move to Premier League giants
• Talks have been completed and Mahrez is set for a medical in the next 48 hours
• Champions tried to sign Mahrez in January but Leicester wanted close to £100m

By BEN NAGLE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 13:20, 8 July 2018 | UPDATED: 19:01, 8 July 2018



Manchester City have agreed a £60million deal with Leicester for long-term target Riyad Mahrez, with the winger set to undergo a medical in the next 48 hours.

 

[blueinsa]

I never said it was happening I said IF it happens then we need to look at something. It may not be txiki it could be someone else but he is the DOF and has a large input in these transfer negotiations. So when something goes wrong a lot of people will look at him. I could be wrong and it isn't his fault and I honestly don't care who's fault it is I just want whatever could possibly happen to not happen again.

You did blame Txiki....

Blame has to be on txiki if this is true we had over two months to sign him only to get hijacked by a team with no ucl. This is starting to be a reccuring theme with Alexis Alves and now potentially Jorginho his complacency and slow approach has always been his weakest point imo.

That final sentence is not one reflected by our squad is it?

Its hardly a recurring theme either given one player has at the last minute had a change of heart and neither can the blame for that change be blamed on anyone other than Alves himself?

Whats become evidently clear is as a Club, we walk away from any deal we don't think is financially sound, see Sanchez and the club should be applauded for that whilst still assembling a squad that has just won the league breaking every record in the books.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

You did blame Txiki....



That final sentence is not one reflected by our squad is it?

Its hardly a recurring theme either given one player has at the last minute had a change of heart and neither can the blame for that change be blamed on anyone other than Alves himself?

Whats become evidently clear is as a Club, we walk away from any deal we don't think is financially sound, see Sanchez and the club should be applauded for that whilst still assembling a squad that has just won the league breaking every record in the books.

C'mon if we all looked at it that way, we'd have fuck all to moan about ;-)

 

[riley347]

Is he coming or not- ?can’t be arsed trawling through the posts ...

 

[cityzennn93:20]

You did blame Txiki....



That final sentence is not one reflected by our squad is it?

Its hardly a recurring theme either given one player has at the last minute had a change of heart and neither can the blame for that change be blamed on anyone other than Alves himself?

Whats become evidently clear is as a Club, we walk away from any deal we don't think is financially sound, see Sanchez and the club should be applauded for that whilst still assembling a squad that has just won the league breaking every record in the books.

Like I said I blamed txiki because he has the biggest input in these transfers and I'll say it again I don't care if I'm wrong about it being txiki it could be anyone I just don't want this to happen again. Alves has a last min change of heart yeah but if we ran that risk by not signing him first then letting him leave on holiday. And again with Sanchez we ran the risk of another club signing him by telling him to wait and it happened. our transfer team brought us many great players but they make mistakes sometimes as well.
With Jorginho I don't know what could have went wrong if it doesn't happen but I still think it's inexcusable to be chasing a player for two months only for him to go to a weaker club.
By slow and complacent I'm referring to us being so assured that the player only wants us when they tell us they want to join then run the risk of him going elsewhere and it backfires sometimes. Sometimes you have to minimize as much risk as possible.

 

[blueinsa]

Like I said I blamed txiki because he has the biggest input in these transfers and I'll say it again I don't care if I'm wrong about it being txiki it could be anyone I just don't want this to happen again. Alves has a last min change of heart yeah but if we ran that risk by not signing him first then letting him leave on holiday. And again with Sanchez we ran the risk of another club signing him by telling him to wait and it happened. our transfer team brought us many great players but they make mistakes sometimes as well.
With Jorginho I don't know what could have went wrong if it doesn't happen but I still think it's inexcusable to be chasing a player for two months only for him to go to a weaker club.
By slow and complacent I'm referring to us being so assured that the player only wants us when they tell us they want to join then run the risk of him going elsewhere and it backfires sometimes. Sometimes you have to minimize as much risk as possible.

Come back when and if it doesn't go through because right now you are trying to argue something that hasn't happened.

Media reports aside, we haven't even said as a club we have made a bid because we dont operate like that anymore.

 

[cityzennn93:20]

Come back when and if it doesn't go through because right now you are trying to argue something that hasn't happened.

Media reports aside, we haven't even said as a club we have made a bid because we dont operate like that anymore.

I said if it does happen then questions should be asked if it doesn't then I'll be just as happy as anyone else when we sign him. Personally I still think he is joining and hope he does. But if he does else go to Chelsea then we need to look at things because in my view a club as big as us shouldn't be missing out on targets we were so close to signing so frequently. That was my point

 

[Rammyblues]

Only my opinion but I dont think our management care two hoots whether Chelsea enter the fray or not. If he does go to chelsea we have avoided a bullet because he wasn't committed enough to join City if he does join City it shows he is committed and we end up with a fully focused player.

 

[kaz7]

Only my opinion but I dont think our management care two hoots whether Chelsea enter the fray or not. If he does go to chelsea we have avoided a bullet because he wasn't committed enough to join City if he does join City it shows he is committed and we end up with a fully focused player.

That about sums it up

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Like I said I blamed txiki because he has the biggest input in these transfers and I'll say it again I don't care if I'm wrong about it being txiki it could be anyone I just don't want this to happen again. Alves has a last min change of heart yeah but if we ran that risk by not signing him first then letting him leave on holiday. And again with Sanchez we ran the risk of another club signing him by telling him to wait and it happened. our transfer team brought us many great players but they make mistakes sometimes as well.
With Jorginho I don't know what could have went wrong if it doesn't happen but I still think it's inexcusable to be chasing a player for two months only for him to go to a weaker club.
By slow and complacent I'm referring to us being so assured that the player only wants us when they tell us they want to join then run the risk of him going elsewhere and it backfires sometimes. Sometimes you have to minimize as much risk as possible.

Real bad, because Alves and Sanchez have tearing the football world asunder.

 

[oldius]

I find it really bizarre that people can be so negative towards people who have given us so much. Perhaps it's because I grew up in Moss Side, when neither the club or my family had a pot to piss in.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Only my opinion but I dont think our management care two hoots whether Chelsea enter the fray or not. If he does go to chelsea we have avoided a bullet because he wasn't committed enough to join City if he does join City it shows he is committed and we end up with a fully focused player.

That about sums it up

Indeed it does.

I think the current state of play is:
Wants to come, as does his agent to mend bridges with City, but De Laurentis is trying to get more cash from someone else (i.e. Chelsea).

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

For what its worth it seems to me we are in the same boat as Dani Alves last year, we have agreed with the player and agent that a deal is to be done, the club arem't forcing the deal through until everyone's back, the only issue with that approach is that if like with Alves another club comes in at the last minute.

Personally I see no reason to believe that that's the case, but it is a risk and we do have form for missing out on players as a result