Joy Division / New Order thread

You can listen to New Order in any setting. They have bangers for the club, Elegia is a dark, brooding and beatiful as any Joy Division song, while they have enough rock hits to satisfy the lonely student and indie disco.

Joy Division had Ian Curtis, that is their trump card. His lyrics, performanes, demise and mystique hang all over Joy Division.

New Order were/are a far more important band musically. Then were more ground breaking, more innovative and more influential. Whether Joy Division would have gone in the same direction musically as New Order is up for debate.

Joy Division are only as big today because of New Order, its not the other way round.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
You can listen to New Order in any setting. They have bangers for the club, Elegia is a dark, brooding and beatiful as any Joy Division song, while they have enough rock hits to satisfy the lonely student and indie disco.

Joy Division had Ian Curtis, that is their trump card. His lyrics, performanes, demise and mystique hang all over Joy Division.

New Order were/are a far more important band musically. Then were more ground breaking, more innovative and more influential. Whether Joy Division would have gone in the same direction musically as New Order is up for debate.

Joy Division are only as big today because of New Order, its not the other way round.
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I agree totally with that. There is definitely room for both. New Order are my favourite band and always will be. I got Joy Division through New Order not the other way round but that's probably an age thing.I've just read the Jon Savage book about Joy Division and as always there's conflicting accounts of the direction they were going to go. A common consensus is Ian wanted to jack it in and move overseas to write books. He had so many conflicts going on with the band and family along with his epilepsy. In my view is he one of the greatest lyricists of all time. Always used to make me laugh the Bernard and Hooky used to say he would have loved World In Motion
 
nickmcfc1 said:
I agree totally with that. There is definitely room for both. New Order are my favourite band and always will be. I got Joy Division through New Order not the other way round but that's probably an age thing.I've just read the Jon Savage book about Joy Division and as always there's conflicting accounts of the direction they were going to go. A common consensus is Ian wanted to jack it in and move overseas to write books. He had so many conflicts going on with the band and family along with his epilepsy. In my view is he one of the greatest lyricists of all time. Always used to make me laugh the Bernard and Hooky used to say he would have loved World In Motion
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From reading up on things (As New Order have a bit a of saying a lot without actually saying anything), it seems Gillian had wrote World In motion previously as a pop song. The football parts were just chucked on. There is definitely an embryonic version of World In motion knocking about, as it was used on some TV program.
Don't think Gillian gets enough credit for her contribution. You read Hooky's books and she is the constant target for his ire, constantly criticising her live playing. Yet she seems to have been a pretty nifty song writer.
The two albums she did not play on are head & shoulders the poorest efforts out of their whole back catalogue. It can't be any coincidence in that she returns and they make a pretty sharp electro pop album.

My path into New Oder and Joy Division seems pretty similar to yours. Excuse the pun but I can only handle JD in Isolation. Too much gets you down.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
From reading up on things (As New Order have a bit a of saying a lot without actually saying anything), it seems Gillian had wrote World In motion previously as a pop song. The football parts were just chucked on. There is definitely an embryonic version of World In motion knocking about, as it was used on some TV program.
Don't think Gillian gets enough credit for her contribution. You read Hooky's books and she is the constant target for his ire, constantly criticising her live playing. Yet she seems to have been a pretty nifty song writer.
The two albums she did not play on are head & shoulders the poorest efforts out of their whole back catalogue. It can't be any coincidence in that she returns and they make a pretty sharp electro pop album.

My path into New Oder and Joy Division seems pretty similar to yours. Excuse the pun but I can only handle JD in Isolation. Too much gets you down.
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Think Hooky described her as the wonky leg on a table. Another nail in his coffin with the band. It was all about who could play louder between Bernard and Peter and I suppose in the end Bernard won.
 
nickmcfc1 said:
I agree totally with that. There is definitely room for both. New Order are my favourite band and always will be. I got Joy Division through New Order not the other way round but that's probably an age thing.I've just read the Jon Savage book about Joy Division and as always there's conflicting accounts of the direction they were going to go. A common consensus is Ian wanted to jack it in and move overseas to write books. He had so many conflicts going on with the band and family along with his epilepsy. In my view is he one of the greatest lyricists of all time. Always used to make me laugh the Bernard and Hooky used to say he would have loved World In Motion
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