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Joy Division / New Order thread
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1.618034
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Like it's even a choice.
No one in New Order ever wrote anything this good...
Existence, well what does it matter?
I exist on the best terms I can.
The past is now part of my future.
The present is well out of hand...
No one in New Order ever wrote anything this good...
Existence, well what does it matter?
I exist on the best terms I can.
The past is now part of my future.
The present is well out of hand...
FogBlueInSanFran
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Joy Division, by a country mile. Don’t get me wrong, I like New Order too but it’s akin to asking The Smiths or Morrissey.
Errrr, it is nothing like asking that.
FogBlueInSanFran
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Joy Division!
So I can cop to She's Lost Control and LWTUA and Transmission as better than anything NO ever did. But on balance there are more songs by NO I love because they put forth an immense number of really great tunes, and Ian Curtis is dead and therefore has no say in the matter.
NO is my favo(u)rite band of all time ever. If I had to do without one of them, how am I going to do without my favo(u)rite band? I'm not.
Nightmare Walking
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Like it's even a choice.
No one in New Order ever wrote anything this good...
Existence, well what does it matter?
I exist on the best terms I can.
The past is now part of my future.
The present is well out of hand...
What about the 3 members of New Order who were also in Joy Division?
1.618034
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I mean, come on!
A masterpiece.
A masterpiece.
1.618034
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Lyrically.What about the 3 members of New Order who were also in Joy Division?
Ah, come on. It’s a fair analogy. A truly great band followed up by something good, but not quite in the same league.Errrr, it is nothing like asking that.
FogBlueInSanFran
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What about the 3 members of New Order who were also in Joy Division?
The JD/NO rhythm section is even today wildly underrated. Hook may be a tad difficult, but he's gotta be there with the most influential bassists of all time. And Morris is criminally overlooked by those who analyse playing style and influence.
FogBlueInSanFran
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Ah, come on. It’s a fair analogy. A truly great band followed up by something good, but not quite in the same league.
Are you really telling me that if you played a Smiths song and a Morrissey song back to back to someone who had never heard them before that that person would be able to tell they weren't the same group? No way. I pay a bit of attention and even I can't always remember.
New Order's sound was quite different from Joy Division's save for Movement and obviously Ceremony. I mean musically, not just lyrically.
I don't see how New Order isn't great, just a different kind of greatness.
BimboBob
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Joy Division. Hmmm...quite, how do I say this, moaning gothlike dirge. And I own a couple of their records. Would rather listen to Danse Society if I'm honest.
New Order. Worse lyrics but more upbeat.
New Order for me.
New Order. Worse lyrics but more upbeat.
New Order for me.
uweuweuwe
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Hearing Atmophere being played on piccadilly radio was my first wow moment in music. Which started me on my musical journey.
Left school in 89 first pay packet I received from my summer job went straight into piccadilly records and bought technique. This was the soundtrack for the next few years.
So can't separate either as both had important parts to play.
Left school in 89 first pay packet I received from my summer job went straight into piccadilly records and bought technique. This was the soundtrack for the next few years.
So can't separate either as both had important parts to play.
Nightmare Walking
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Joy Division. Hmmm...quite, how do I say this, moaning gothlike dirge. And I own a couple of their records. Would rather listen to Danse Society if I'm honest.
New Order. Worse lyrics but more upbeat.
New Order for me.
The key thing in regards to New Order lyrics is that there was absolutely no way that Bernard could compete with Ian's lyrics in the serious stakes. Ian had all those demons in his head and shown them to the world through his vocals. His demons were so bad that he killed himself. How does Bernard go about replicating that? There is no way he could have ever done it. So he went the total opposite was. Some quotes from books mixed with nursery rhymes. Where as the lyrics and delivery of Curtis drove Joy Division, it was the music that took centre stage in New Order.
asia fields
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Love both but new order for me
FogBlueInSanFran
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The key thing in regards to New Order lyrics is that there was absolutely no way that Bernard could compete with Ian's lyrics in the
Right. He didn't even want to/couldn't sing and play guitar. The fact that NO not only carried on without a truly unique and iconic lead singer, but made a 40 year career out of it turning out great tune after great tune is an accomplishment that very few bands in history have ever matched. I can't think of another offhand. Pink Floyd maybe? Does Foo Fighters count?
1.618034
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AC/DC?Right. He didn't even want to/couldn't sing and play guitar. The fact that NO not only carried on without a truly unique and iconic lead singer, but made a 40 year career out of it turning out great tune after great tune is an accomplishment that very few bands in history have ever matched. Has there even been one?
FogBlueInSanFran
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AC/DC?
Yes, I'll accept that. Though I'd say Ian was more unique and iconic than Bon Scott. And what's his-name who replaced him sounded a lot like him.
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Right. He didn't even want to/couldn't sing and play guitar. The fact that NO not only carried on without a truly unique and iconic lead singer, but made a 40 year career out of it turning out great tune after great tune is an accomplishment that very few bands in history have ever matched. I can't think of another offhand. Pink Floyd maybe? Does Foo Fighters count?
I don't know enough about Pink Floyds history to comment mate. Foo Fighters would be the nearest I can think of in regards to the background story. They were on a similar path music wise the Nirvana though. Once you got past Movement, New Order are a totally different beast to Joy Division. Listen to something like Confusion and its night & day.
Ha, no I absolutely did not say that.Are you really telling me that if you played a Smiths song and a Morrissey song back to back to someone who had never heard them before that that person would be able to tell they weren't the same group?
1.618034
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Yeah, AC/DC almost became a tribute act, at least New Order didn't try to replace Ian Curtis and went their own way. They were of their time, but Joy Division is timeless.Yes, I'll accept that. Though I'd say Ian was more unique and iconic than Bon Scott. And what's his-name who replaced him sounded a lot like him.
FTR, I was a New Order fan first.