Juanma Lillo | Leaving the club before the CWC (p52)

We actual need a good #2 and not some Pep fanboy .
Xavi Henry are fanboys

We ideally needed someone like Fernandinho (not coming ) who could even slap the bald head of Pep if needed and set the order

Maybe one for future
 
Heaven forbid I jump to conclusions on this fact based forum, but getting in a backroom team favored by Pep's successor would be astute business, ensuring the man in charge has a team he trusts and compatible to his working methods.

Could this be preparations for the changing of the guard?

I have had a feeling in my bowels Zidane might be Pep's successor (i hope it wasn't that Chicken Madras last night)

David Bentoni and Hamidou Msaidie were both Zidane's assistants and neither are in elite football according to google


Obviously conjecture but whoever gets the gig might give an indication of Pep's desire to remain
 
I was thinking maybe a return of Domenic Torrent , Pep had him at Barca, Bayern for years and early on at City. he probably was with Pep until he had much more appetite for risk than these days tactically.

left for manager role at New York city, also took over Flamengo and Galatasaray for short periods in recent year.

but just googled him literally was hired as manager Monterrey in Mexico last two weeks lol.

fuck it, it it will be Peter Crouch imo. doing the robot dance every time we score.
 
talkativesprout said:
Heaven forbid I jump to conclusions on this fact based forum, but getting in a backroom team favored by Pep's successor would be astute business, ensuring the man in charge has a team he trusts and compatible to his working methods.

Could this be preparations for the changing of the guard?

I have had a feeling in my bowels Zidane might be Pep's successor (i hope it wasn't that Chicken Madras last night)

David Bentoni and Hamidou Msaidie were both Zidane's assistants and neither are in elite football according to google


Obviously conjecture but whoever gets the gig might give an indication of Pep's desire to remain
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Get what your saying/mean......but not a chance it would be 'for the next manager' even if the board chose them.....but Pep will appoint who he wants.
Not overly fussed who it is, the best part of an assistant is not something we see.
 
Dax777 said:
Pep is packing up. Setting up the transition team :(
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He's been packing up since 2016 according to most but to the best of my knowledge He's still here and apparently for another 2 years.
Yet another mercenary who only came to make a quick buck but who actually stayed for 10 years.
 
It will no doubt be someone completely from left field and that may be no bad thing, he needs someone to challenge his ideas more often, someone without a connection to the people that pep is loyal too who can see where its going wrong and what needs changing.
 
mancboy said:
It will no doubt be someone completely from left field and that may be no bad thing, he needs someone to challenge his ideas more often, someone without a connection to the people that pep is loyal too who can see where its going wrong and what needs changing.
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Yeah someone like Lillo. Who was specifically brought in because he argues and fights with Pep over literally every detail.
 
Damocles said:
Yeah someone like Lillo. Who was specifically brought in because he argues and fights with Pep over literally every detail.
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then you have to wonder why he has gone then, maybe they had spend to long together that they had started seeing things in too similar of a fashion
 
mancboy said:
then you have to wonder why he has gone then, maybe they had spend to long together that they had started seeing things in too similar of a fashion
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Because Lillo never stays anywhere for more than a few years and wanted to move on. He's been a professional coach since he was 17 and had a single job longer than 3 years in his entire career and that's by design. When Pep used to talk about never staying anywhere longer than 3-5 years, that is a direct Lillo philosophy.

This guy essentially invented modern football theory and the know nowts on here talk about him like he's some moron Pep dragged up from somewhere. Pep moved halfway across the world to play football for a shit Mexican team specifically to work under Lillo. How do people not know who he is? His ideas are now required reading on every coaching course on the planet.

I'll put it another way. Lillo is a better and more influential coach than every single coach in the history of this entire football club outside of Guardiola and very arguably Allison. Ten times more influential on the game than Mancini, Pellegrini, Sven, McDowall and Wild. It beggars belief that there's a bunch of people who claim to be knowledgeable and follow football and think he's some random guy who "doesn't challenge Pep" and "has the same ideas as him". It's the literal opposite. Lillo's (current) ideas are the antithesis to Pep's and were mirrored (i.e. stolen) by Fernando Diniz in the same way the 4-2-3-1 was invented by him then popularised by others and the precursor to positional play's modern interpretation was invented by him and popularised by others and the approach to player coaching was at least pioneered by him and now is the absolute standard across the whole industry.

And this "old man" rhetoric is such horseshit. He's the same age as Ange, one and a bit years older than Klopp. At 59, he's probably younger than some of the people on this forum claiming he's too old. He probably looks like that because when he was 20 years old he was a professional football manager and has spent his entire life in these positions. By 28, he was coaching in one of the best leagues in the world back when it was unheard of to have a manager under 40 let alone 30.

Juanma isn't a great manager because he's a blue sky thinker. He needs to be with a Guardiola or a Sampaoli because he needs someone to help him man manage and communicate his ideas in the broad strokes. He'd probably be the best consultant to a Sporting Director in history because he's always 5 years ahead of the curve tactically and the job of a Viana is to build a team for what football looks like in 5 years and not 5 months. But he loves the training pitch, it doesn't matter to him whether he's in China or Qatar or Japan or Mexico or Chile or Manchester, working with players to improve performance is his passion.

Him moving on again is a massive negative in every possible way and the idea that he can be replaced by some pundit or even an ex-player who used to run around a bit is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. All of the comments about "what people want" from "the new coaching staff" such as someone willing to challenge Pep and go toe to toe with him, who has different methods, different football ideas, thought about things different but still had the respect of Pep for him to consider them. Yeah, that's who we've just lost. But he doesn't wave his arms like a madman during the game so he must be shit.

But bring in Iniesta. He's never done a single day of coaching in his life and his footballing philosophy is basically a carbon copy of Pep's and he worships Pep so would probably never argue with him. But I remember him as a player and he was glamorous. So he must be a good coach right? Let's give him literally one of the top 5 technical coaching jobs in world football because of it.
 
Damocles said:
Because Lillo never stays anywhere for more than a few years and wanted to move on. He's been a professional coach since he was 17 and had a single job longer than 3 years in his entire career and that's by design. When Pep used to talk about never staying anywhere longer than 3-5 years, that is a direct Lillo philosophy.

This guy essentially invented modern football theory and the know nowts on here talk about him like he's some moron Pep dragged up from somewhere. Pep moved halfway across the world to play football for a shit Mexican team specifically to work under Lillo. How do people not know who he is? His ideas are now required reading on every coaching course on the planet.

I'll put it another way. Lillo is a better and more influential coach than every single coach in the history of this entire football club outside of Guardiola and very arguably Allison. Ten times more influential on the game than Mancini, Pellegrini, Sven, McDowall and Wild. It beggars belief that there's a bunch of people who claim to be knowledgeable and follow football and think he's some random guy who "doesn't challenge Pep" and "has the same ideas as him". It's the literal opposite. Lillo's (current) ideas are the antithesis to Pep's and were mirrored (i.e. stolen) by Fernando Diniz in the same way the 4-2-3-1 was invented by him then popularised by others and the precursor to positional play's modern interpretation was invented by him and popularised by others and the approach to player coaching was at least pioneered by him and now is the absolute standard across the whole industry.

And this "old man" rhetoric is such horseshit. He's the same age as Ange, one and a bit years older than Klopp. At 59, he's probably younger than some of the people on this forum claiming he's too old. He probably looks like that because when he was 20 years old he was a professional football manager and has spent his entire life in these positions. By 28, he was coaching in one of the best leagues in the world back when it was unheard of to have a manager under 40 let alone 30.

Juanma isn't a great manager because he's a blue sky thinker. He needs to be with a Guardiola or a Sampaoli because he needs someone to help him man manage and communicate his ideas in the broad strokes. He'd probably be the best consultant to a Sporting Director in history because he's always 5 years ahead of the curve tactically and the job of a Viana is to build a team for what football looks like in 5 years and not 5 months. But he loves the training pitch, it doesn't matter to him whether he's in China or Qatar or Japan or Mexico or Chile or Manchester, working with players to improve performance is his passion.

Him moving on again is a massive negative in every possible way and the idea that he can be replaced by some pundit or even an ex-player who used to run around a bit is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. All of the comments about "what people want" from "the new coaching staff" such as someone willing to challenge Pep and go toe to toe with him, who has different methods, different football ideas, thought about things different but still had the respect of Pep for him to consider them. Yeah, that's who we've just lost. But he doesn't wave his arms like a madman during the game so he must be shit.

But bring in Iniesta. He's never done a single day of coaching in his life and his footballing philosophy is basically a carbon copy of Pep's and he worships Pep so would probably never argue with him. But I remember him as a player and he was glamorous. So he must be a good coach right? Let's give him literally one of the top 5 technical coaching jobs in world football because of it.
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do you feel better after that?
 
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