Juventus (A) | CL | Post Match Thread

SiMCFC said:
The football we actually play has got progressively slower and shit to watch before the end of last season, the fact we won the title masked it a bit but there were some absolutely shite performances even then, teams have just totally worked out how we play, we are slow, can't defend, we pass the ball for the sake of it, you watch how teams defend against us now, they don't move, they stand still and know we can't do anything with the ball anyway so just let us fuck about with it. Genuinely think we've run out of ideas and that comes from the top down.
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Best team in the country wins the Prem over 38 games - no ifs, no buts, no maybes. Winning the Prem doesn't mask anything.
 
Chak19 said:
There is more chance of me starting in central midfield than Nunes, forget about it mate, Pep won't change his mind.
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Well its gonna cost us again and again…

There is a lot to unpack on both goals, but the lack of anyone in midfield for both goals as they break is frankly ludicrous…. I’ve seen better organised under 10’s!!
 
argyle said:
Maybe Pep thinks they could do worse and wants to spare them being thrown to the wolves in a team that isn't playing well right now.
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Well in that case he certainly has no problem throwing Rico to the wolves.
 
Bluemoon_420 said:
Only December and the season is a write off.

I expect much more of this for the next few months, but still have faith that Pep will fix it eventually.
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It’s not a write off, we’re very much in a top 4 battle

Top 4, beat the charges, take that and we reset in the summer
 
argyle said:
The recruitment over the last two summer windows hasn't been good enough.

However, the clubs planning has led to us being the most successful team of the last decade.

So, it's really hard to criticise them too much. As many on here are doing.
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For me that's the crux of the issue. For years we have seen the club plan and build, move players on and bring in quality replacements (Dias for Kompany etc).

Yet for the last few years complacency and a change of attitude from continuously building for the future to not even bothering to address these glaring issues and becoming the 'net spend champions' has happened.
 
SiMCFC said:
The football we actually play has got progressively slower and shit to watch before the end of last season, the fact we won the title masked it a bit but there were some absolutely shite performances even then, teams have just totally worked out how we play, we are slow, can't defend, we pass the ball for the sake of it, you watch how teams defend against us now, they don't move, they stand still and know we can't do anything with the ball anyway so just let us fuck about with it. Genuinely think we've run out of ideas and that comes from the top down.
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Other fans say we are boring to watch when we win but I only find us boring when we lose
 
The definition of stupidity is to keep doing the same thing that isnt working. Our problem is it always used to work so who is being stupid players/manager/management - all of the above or non of the above. God knows. Bit since it out of my control why worry i cant affect it.
 
Chak19 said:
There is more chance of me starting in central midfield than Nunes, forget about it mate, Pep won't change his mind.
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Nunes has legs but I would never fancy him in a 50/50 which atm we are truly dreadful at.
 
Paulmcfc2703 said:
For me that's the crux of the issue. For years we have seen the club plan and build, move players on and bring in quality replacements (Dias for Kompany etc).

Yet for the last few years complacency and a change of attitude from continuously building for the future to not even bothering to address these glaring issues and becoming the 'net spend champions' has happened.
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I don't think you can reduce it to the club wanting to be net spend champions.

I think they have been conscious over the shit thrown at the club, that all we do is spend money etc, and the club has proven them all wrong, again.

This is our first extended bad period in near 10 years. So the club can't be criticised over their decisions too much.
 
mcfcbill91 said:
Gundogan is right - we're doing 90% of what we need to do and getting caught out.

Haaland should score first half and the first goal contains another error.

There was no need to play quicker etc, we created sufficient openings to score. It's just a fraction or so off. Juventus played it tight and took their opening - Haaland and Doku need to get an understanding as it has cost us again.

But as ever, how we attack is how we defend. The second goal is a poor give away and then panicked running that leaves a gap for Danilo to pass into, from there we're in trouble.

The only difference I would make is calming the press down. I'm convinced the high press era of football is coming to an end, with teams & systems better suited against it. A majority of the PL teams are now more of a threat when they have less possession.
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David Mooney said on his pod that we need to basically be spot on 90% of the time to win with the way we play whereas the opposition only need to be spot on 10-15% of the time. It's right - our methodical progression requires clinical finishing but the limitations we have in our midfield/defence/OOP formation mean that we give really good chances to the opposition. Until we change that approach (in both attack & defence) or change the personnel, it will be the same outcomes
 
Goldust said:
Nunes has legs but I would never fancy him in a 50/50 which atm we are truly dreadful at.
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He had a 5 minute cameo against Wolves where he showed more physicality than the rest of our midfield bar Kovacic all season.
 
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