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Key reason why we performed so poorly
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FantasyIreland
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Bollox.
Yaya and Balotelli strolling around the park were the main reasons.
Yaya and Balotelli strolling around the park were the main reasons.
city diehard
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To be honest he is a small fish in a big pond, and the converse at villa. Now I'm not for one minute suggesting he is utter shit, however he offers know creative flair, which is what we initially bought him to the club for. He relentlessly gives away free kicks in dangerous areas which ultimately develop into goalscoring chance for the opposition. I've got the impression that fans consider that when Mancini selects him over Barry in the midfield it is a more offensive approach, however he fails to contribute anything going forward, which is why I would in turn prefer Barry, hands down over Milner, as as he will contribute as much as Milner in attack i.e none. and as a holding player he enables a free role to the forwards. Although know one can doubt Milner's work ethic, he has consistently failed to perform in every role e.g winger-Everton away, behind the striker-Europa league and the central midfield role we now find him.
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gio's side step said:James Milner playing instead of Gareth Barry.
The anti-barry brigade who's critique is usually based on intellect like 'he's slow or has a larger than average arse' fail to understand how critical he is to the team and how we retain possession and subsequently have more control throughout the course of the game. He's still the best player in our squad at this in a central midfield context. There are of course better players out there, i.e. xabi alonso, xavi, arteta in terms of his type, but we haven't seen this as a key area of improvement, and instead wasted time strengthening the defence again, and looking for other wide players.
Milner offers nothing in terms of CL/title winning football capability. He's a work horse who won't get on the ball centrally with any real composure, class or football intelligence/vision. He offers endeavour, but unfortunately, against Utd, we needed more control in the game, more possession. Yaya Toure hasnt played the Barry role enough, nor has he played along side De Jong enough in a deeper role. De Jong/Barry combination in games where we need to control the tempo in order to get Silva on the ball in key areas, movement, spreading the play around the opposition, is still the best we have going into this season, unless we sign someone else.
Key thought experiment here would be this. If Milner were to be sold to Spurs or Liverpool - would you seriously worry? I wouldn't. I wouldn't believe we are giving a top player away to a rival. He wouldn't offer them anything more than they already have now. If we were to sell Adam Johnson to one of those clubs for example, I'd certainly worry more.
Barry should have started. Milner shouldnt. The result might have been the same, but we'd have performed better in midfield and had more control / possession for sure.
Cou;dnt agree more. We should have swapped those two early. I saw Barry warming up and thought "great" then he took Balotelli off and shoved Milner where he's even less effective.
I'm increasingly starting to believe Milner's a dud buy. He's a decent player but he can't keep possession enough or pass well enough. Barry's better but I'd be looking to buy there if I was the boss.
The key reason is most of the team were wank and couldn't hold on to the ball.
De Jong and Barry together does offer the added insurance but if we persist with the midfield three of those two + Yaya, we won't get those 10-15 extra goals this season Mancini says we need to win the league, nor will the lack of creativity problem be solved. If we want to win games and score lots of goals, both of them need to be on the bench with Nasri in the team. De Jong, Yaya, Nasri, Silva, Aguero, Balotelli/Dzeko. Nothing would change if we stick with De Jong, Barry, Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Balotelli/Dzeko - all we'd be doing is swapping Tevez for Kun and teams with resolute defences would block us out just like so many did last season.
De Jong and Barry together does offer the added insurance but if we persist with the midfield three of those two + Yaya, we won't get those 10-15 extra goals this season Mancini says we need to win the league, nor will the lack of creativity problem be solved. If we want to win games and score lots of goals, both of them need to be on the bench with Nasri in the team. De Jong, Yaya, Nasri, Silva, Aguero, Balotelli/Dzeko. Nothing would change if we stick with De Jong, Barry, Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Balotelli/Dzeko - all we'd be doing is swapping Tevez for Kun and teams with resolute defences would block us out just like so many did last season.
Prestwich_Blue
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No manager would have players foisted on him. It simply wouldn't work. Look at Shevchenko.Soulboy said:Prestwich_Blue said:I'm beginning to wonder if Milner is Mancini's Roque Santa Cruz.
I thought he was a Marwood "signing"?
I'm sure Mancini had little say in this one... ;-))
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I want to sign Nasri so we don't have to play either really. I do like Barry, and Milner had a very good end to last season. But I'd rather see:
----------------------------Hart-------------------------
Richards--------Kompany--------Lescott--------Clichy
------------------de Jong--------Yaya------------------
----------------------------Silva-------------------------
-----------Nasri--------------------------Balotelli-------
---------------------------Agüero-----------------------
or
see:
----------------------------Hart-------------------------
Richards--------Kompany--------Lescott--------Clichy
------------------de Jong--------Yaya------------------
----------------------------Silva-------------------------
-----------Nasri--------------------------Agüero--------
----------------------------Džeko------------------------
Of course Barry would play in many games over the season due to injuries or suspensions or players out of form. But I'd rather have either of my line-ups, espcially in the big games. We're desperate for more pace!
----------------------------Hart-------------------------
Richards--------Kompany--------Lescott--------Clichy
------------------de Jong--------Yaya------------------
----------------------------Silva-------------------------
-----------Nasri--------------------------Balotelli-------
---------------------------Agüero-----------------------
or
see:
----------------------------Hart-------------------------
Richards--------Kompany--------Lescott--------Clichy
------------------de Jong--------Yaya------------------
----------------------------Silva-------------------------
-----------Nasri--------------------------Agüero--------
----------------------------Džeko------------------------
Of course Barry would play in many games over the season due to injuries or suspensions or players out of form. But I'd rather have either of my line-ups, espcially in the big games. We're desperate for more pace!
GStar
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Disagree, think we'll see Milner become an important player for us, given a run in the side.
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Great minds... and all that!LoveCity said:The key reason is most of the team were wank and couldn't hold on to the ball.
De Jong and Barry together does offer the added insurance but if we persist with the midfield three of those two + Yaya, we won't get those 10-15 extra goals this season Mancini says we need to win the league, nor will the lack of creativity problem be solved. If we want to win games and score lots of goals, both of them need to be on the bench with Nasri in the team. De Jong, Yaya, Nasri, Silva, Aguero, Balotelli/Dzeko. Nothing would change if we stick with De Jong, Barry, Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Balotelli/Dzeko - all we'd be doing is swapping Tevez for Kun and teams with resolute defences would block us out just like so many did last season.
Prestwich_Blue said:No manager would have players foisted on him. It simply wouldn't work. Look at Shevchenko.Soulboy said:Prestwich_Blue said:I'm beginning to wonder if Milner is Mancini's Roque Santa Cruz.
I thought he was a Marwood "signing"?
I'm sure Mancini had little say in this one... ;-))
I think Mark Hughes might beg to differ..!!!
does anyone think that the 2-0 up couldve been protected if patrick viera had stayed on for another year? a few times last year he came on as a sub and help distribute the ball better/retain more possession and help shore up the defence at set-pieces.
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bgblue said:does anyone think that the 2-0 up couldve been protected if patrick viera had stayed on for another year? a few times last year he came on as a sub and help distribute the ball better/retain more possession and help shore up the defence at set-pieces.
No. His lack of mobility would have made the midfield battle even worse.
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the reason we did not control the game yesterday was because we were out numberd in mid field united had no out and out strikers they had 6 in mid field breaking whenever the could we had 4 mid field and 2 on the half way line waiting for the ball.
Hate to say this,we were totally outclassed for 94 mins.Rags looked 6 yards quicker all over the pitch,they were out 15 mins warming up before we came out,and so things never got any better.Our lack of pace really concerns me,we can't play counter attack cos no one will take responsibility and run with the ball,our ball retention was shocking,movement off the ball non existent in fact it was embarrassing,I could say lots more but I would end up slagging our team,which I don't want to do.However without at least 3 more class signings we will never finish above rags and chelski.Then the next problem is offloading more players,have we got the players to take us to the next level,who are our matchwinners,do we have any,if so av we enough,I don't see enough.great journey home yesterday great laugh with the lads minus 2 coach windows,best part of the day,says it all. Keep the faith!
mannycity said:Hate to say this,we were totally outclassed for 94 mins.Rags looked 6 yards quicker all over the pitch,they were out 15 mins warming up before we came out,and so things never got any better.Our lack of pace really concerns me,we can't play counter attack cos no one will take responsibility and run with the ball,our ball retention was shocking,movement off the ball non existent in fact it was embarrassing,I could say lots more but I would end up slagging our team,which I don't want to do.However without at least 3 more class signings we will never finish above rags and chelski.Then the next problem is offloading more players,have we got the players to take us to the next level,who are our matchwinners,do we have any,if so av we enough,I don't see enough.great journey home yesterday great laugh with the lads minus 2 coach windows,best part of the day,says it all. Keep the faith!
We just can't keep trotting out the same old mantra... "just another one/two/three new signings and we'll be there..." bollocks.
How's about bringing in better coaching staff? Or trainers? Or someone who will make the best use of the incredible footballing resources we already have at our disposal?
But this "let's get the chequebook out" mentality is even starting to piss me off!
Why not make the players we've already got... better!
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Soulboy said:mannycity said:Hate to say this,we were totally outclassed for 94 mins.Rags looked 6 yards quicker all over the pitch,they were out 15 mins warming up before we came out,and so things never got any better.Our lack of pace really concerns me,we can't play counter attack cos no one will take responsibility and run with the ball,our ball retention was shocking,movement off the ball non existent in fact it was embarrassing,I could say lots more but I would end up slagging our team,which I don't want to do.However without at least 3 more class signings we will never finish above rags and chelski.Then the next problem is offloading more players,have we got the players to take us to the next level,who are our matchwinners,do we have any,if so av we enough,I don't see enough.great journey home yesterday great laugh with the lads minus 2 coach windows,best part of the day,says it all. Keep the faith!
We just can't keep trotting out the same old mantra... "just another one/two/three new signings and we'll be there..." bollocks.
How's about bringing in better coaching staff? Or trainers? Or someone who will make the best use of the incredible footballing resources we already have at our disposal?
But this "let's get the chequebook out" mentality is even starting to piss me off!
Why not make the players we've already got... better!
You're not wrong mate.
This really does have to be the last window where we sign several new players.
From now on it really should be a case of minor tweaks and only when absolutely needed or something way too good to turn down.
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blueinsa said:Soulboy said:mannycity said:Hate to say this,we were totally outclassed for 94 mins.Rags looked 6 yards quicker all over the pitch,they were out 15 mins warming up before we came out,and so things never got any better.Our lack of pace really concerns me,we can't play counter attack cos no one will take responsibility and run with the ball,our ball retention was shocking,movement off the ball non existent in fact it was embarrassing,I could say lots more but I would end up slagging our team,which I don't want to do.However without at least 3 more class signings we will never finish above rags and chelski.Then the next problem is offloading more players,have we got the players to take us to the next level,who are our matchwinners,do we have any,if so av we enough,I don't see enough.great journey home yesterday great laugh with the lads minus 2 coach windows,best part of the day,says it all. Keep the faith!
We just can't keep trotting out the same old mantra... "just another one/two/three new signings and we'll be there..." bollocks.
How's about bringing in better coaching staff? Or trainers? Or someone who will make the best use of the incredible footballing resources we already have at our disposal?
But this "let's get the chequebook out" mentality is even starting to piss me off!
Why not make the players we've already got... better!
You're not wrong mate.
This really does have to be the last window where we sign several new players.
From now on it really should be a case of minor tweaks and only when absolutely needed or something way too good to turn down.
agreed
does this mean i can start slagging off bob now
The 25m or so we paid for Milner should have gone on a first class creative midfielder to compliment Silva and we'd probably have done even better last season and would hardly need to sign anyone now. Nothing against Milner but he is one of the most pointless signings I can remember. We didn't need him for the middle where we had Barry/NDJ/Yaya/Vieira (+ young Razak looks like a real prospect for the midfield) and Mancini proved that by hardly ever playing him there, and he isn't a natural winger so had no effect when playing there.
Yeah, we do still need to spend money but only because some of the money we have spent could have been invested more wisely.
Yeah, we do still need to spend money but only because some of the money we have spent could have been invested more wisely.
Fame Monster
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The reason why Milner played was to cover for Balotelli out wide should he have lost the will to track back with a marauding Evra.
Bottom line, though, Barry should have played. A very good player who played very well yesterday and under-rated by those who want backheels and overhead kicks.
Bottom line, though, Barry should have played. A very good player who played very well yesterday and under-rated by those who want backheels and overhead kicks.
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Soulboy said:mannycity said:Hate to say this,we were totally outclassed for 94 mins.Rags looked 6 yards quicker all over the pitch,they were out 15 mins warming up before we came out,and so things never got any better.Our lack of pace really concerns me,we can't play counter attack cos no one will take responsibility and run with the ball,our ball retention was shocking,movement off the ball non existent in fact it was embarrassing,I could say lots more but I would end up slagging our team,which I don't want to do.However without at least 3 more class signings we will never finish above rags and chelski.Then the next problem is offloading more players,have we got the players to take us to the next level,who are our matchwinners,do we have any,if so av we enough,I don't see enough.great journey home yesterday great laugh with the lads minus 2 coach windows,best part of the day,says it all. Keep the faith!
We just can't keep trotting out the same old mantra... "just another one/two/three new signings and we'll be there..." bollocks.
How's about bringing in better coaching staff? Or trainers? Or someone who will make the best use of the incredible footballing resources we already have at our disposal?
But this "let's get the chequebook out" mentality is even starting to piss me off!
Why not make the players we've already got... better!
Agreed. Although I kind of thought last season the coaching staff (or someone -possibly the cat) did make some of our players 'better'. Or did I imagine it?
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