Kyle Walker : 2018/19 performances

[Dax777]

Does the offence fall under Violent Conduct? The answer is no. There is no application of excessive force, or brutality.

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible

To understand a rule, you have to understand it's elements and then line it up against the facts. Here are the elements:

1. A playpr who Uses or attempts to Use -
--As I had stated to another member earlier, 'Contact' isn't a requirement. The attempt in itself is enough to satisfy this element of the rule.

2. Excessive Force or Brutality
--- 'Excessive Force' or Brutality. A headbutt would be qualify as 'Brutality.' And since the first element only requires an "attempt" of the brutality. It becomes Blatantly obvious why this should have been a red.

3 The 3rd element " against an opponent when not challenging for the ball" also is easily met. The ball was already out for a goal kick. So no attempt at a challenge.

The 'negligible force' exception is used to distinguish things like when players tap.opponents on the cheek after a miss, or push a player away from a brewing fight ( example here would include Eddy pushing the Brighton player away from Kyle to break up the impending fight.)

An unconnecting headbutt or a missed swing of a punch, or an intentionally thrown soft elbow in retaliation, do not fall under this exception.

So no Marvin, It did fall under the VC rule. But was fortunately, for us and Kyle, ignored.

 

[Dax777]

So you can kick someone in the face?

So long as you use negligible force. Sure :)

 

[FantasyIreland]

To understand a rule, you have to understand it's elements and then line it up against the facts. Here are the elements:

1. A playpr who Uses or attempts to Use -
--As I had stated to another member earlier, 'Contact' isn't a requirement. The attempt in itself is enough to satisfy this element of the rule.

2. Excessive Force or Brutality
--- 'Excessive Force' or Brutality. A headbutt would be qualify as 'Brutality.' And since the first element only requires an "attempt" of the brutality. It becomes Blatantly obvious why this should have been a red.

3 The 3rd element " against an opponent when not challenging for the ball" also is easily met. The ball was already out for a goal kick. So no attempt at a challenge.

The 'negligible force' exception is used to distinguish things like when players tap.opponents on the cheek after a miss, or push a player away from a brewing fight ( example here would include Eddy pushing the Brighton player away from Kyle to break up the impending fight.)

An unconnecting headbutt or a missed swing of a punch, or an intentionally thrown soft elbow in retaliation, do not fall under this exception.

So no Marvin, It did fall under the VC rule. But was fortunately, for us and Kyle, ignored.

It wasn't an attempted headbutt though.

Had he wanted to butt him,he would have done.

 

[kaz7]

Anyhow pep says he has recovered,i'm torn about him playing tomorrow

 

[deano ou812]

To be fair when I saw it I thought oh ffs he’s off here,very lucky as normally the refs can’t contain themselves when it’s us playing,having said that I understand walkers rage as the Brighton player stood on his calf,only a few mins after walker had received treatment on his leg..

 

[Dax777]

It wasn't an attempted headbutt though.

Had he wanted to butt him,he would have done.

Btw I noticed you only told me what it wasn't. But you did not try to tell me what it was. That in of itself, is telling :)

But to be clear, what was it exactly that Kyle did? What is what he did called?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The man’s a liability.
He reacts too easily.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Btw I noticed you only told me what it wasn't. But you did not try to tell me what it was. That in of itself, is telling :)

But to be clear, what was it exactly that Kyle did? What is what he did called?

A bit of daft but understandable aggression,nothing more.

 

[FantasyIreland]

The man’s a liability.
He reacts too easily.

I thought he showed restraint given the stamp.

 

[jimharri]

I think he’s a lucky boy. We’ve seen them go for less over the years.

Indeed. "Aggressive walking", anyone? Or Morrison sticking his tongue out at the dogger?