Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

Since the expenses sham several years ago, when many politicians of all major parties were exposed as being avaricious selfish cunts, I cannot trust any of them. If that was us,Joe publics doing that, we'd have been jailed!

Not many trustworthy shepherds amongst the majority of bah-ing sheep in parliament, so fuck the lot of them I say.
 
Is there a blanket media ban on reporting how the tories are currently infighting?

I know for a fact backbenchers have been whipped for complaining May is doing fuck all on and Brexit and issuing threats to join UKIP. Yet you look at the MSM and they are full of praise for how the new PM has creating order and unity from the cliques of Cameron.

As someone else pointed out on here. The tories prefer to do their business in the shadows, whilst Labour will publically their dirty washing. To me that shows openness.
 
Is there a blanket media ban on reporting how the tories are currently infighting?

I know for a fact backbenchers have been whipped for complaining May is doing fuck all on and Brexit and issuing threats to join UKIP. Yet you look at the MSM and they are full of praise for how the new PM has creating order and unity from the cliques of Cameron.

As someone else pointed out on here. The tories prefer to do their business in the shadows, whilst Labour will publically their dirty washing. To me that shows openness.
Infighting? They're currently too busy pissing themselves laughing at Labour turkeys voting for Christmas. The next election will be a blood bath for Labour.
 
They do all sound good. But it's like me saying I want

1 more hair
2 be taller
3 have a better job.
4 have a bigger dick
5 marry a supermodel.

It's easy bullshit saying I want peace and justice ( who fucking doesn't?) and housing for all and free education anyone can say that shit. It's how you pay for it and achieve that that people are interested in. It's completely meaningless. Policies and how we do it is what we all want to hear and until we do it does not mean anything.

Well if that is your opinion then why bother voting for anyone and all parties are a waste of time, as they all pronise stuff and never deliver.

The point still stands that Corbyn is promoting an agenda of an equal fair society and the only people whose lives that that doesn't improve is the 1%.
 
Well if that is your opinion then why bother voting for anyone and all parties are a waste of time, as they all pronise stuff and never deliver.

The point still stands that Corbyn is promoting an agenda of an equal fair society and the only people whose lives that that doesn't improve is the 1%.

Yes all paid for by the magic money making trees in his front garden......
 
Time for jez to stand back saying nice things while the members in the constituencies start lynching (deselecting) the turncoats. Sadly the party will lose some capable people, but its probably all they deserve. There's more than one way to unite a party, as Stalin proved.
 
Yes all paid for by the magic money making trees in his front garden......

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Since the expenses sham several years ago, when many politicians of all major parties were exposed as being avaricious selfish cunts, I cannot trust any of them. If that was us,Joe publics doing that, we'd have been jailed!

Not many trustworthy shepherds amongst the majority of bah-ing sheep in parliament, so fuck the lot of them I say.
Apart from Corbyn
 
Corbyns 10 priorities he has stated in this election

They are:

  1. An economy that works for all
  2. Secure homes for all
  3. A free National Education Service
  4. Action to secure our environment
  5. Security at work
  6. Cut income and wealth inequality
  7. Act to find prejudice and injustice
  8. Secure our NHS and social care
  9. Democracy in our economy
  10. Peace and justice abroad
I would say 1-9 would directly effect the majority of people and voters who just work full time, have families and generally just want to crack on and do better for themselves, as much as it would help the worse off in society.

But his policies are not directed at achieving any of them, they are all ideological rather than well thought out. His economy plans are not intended to work for all, they are intended to work for the poor and stuff everyone else. He wants to tax anyone who wants to make money and his entire being is totally against any form of capitalist society. That means there is no economy, it means everyone who works has to pay for everything he wants to do. It means every company will pay more tax on their profits and therefore cannot expand and cannot thrive. It means anyone thinking of starting a business won't bother, anyone with money wanting to invest won't and ultimately it means the whole nation will come to rely on the taxes and effort of the average Joe.

He wants secure homes but no he doesn't, he wants council homes, he has no interest in supporting the private housing sector which is what 75% really need. His very being again is against any support of the private sector because of the so called 'greedy' house builders. His only interest in the private sector is to further tax or hit the landlords which I agree with to a degree but then it doesn't exactly encourage anyone to invest and build.

Our current education system is already free, enough said really.

Action to secure our environment, well what can we really do beyond banning cars, coal, gas etc. Or do we just do what he means and build a load of wind farms and SAY we are doing something when really we aren't.

Security at work well I have had no problems in the last 10 years so that doesn't apply for me anyway, I don't know anyone who has had any real trouble at work either. No doubt Corbyn will bang on about zero hour contracts but well our firm employs 400 people at this site and not a single person is on a zero hours contract. I'm sure there will be some but having the choice by creating jobs and ensuring an environment is there to achieve it is far better.

Cut income and wealth inequality, that just means tax the rich essentially, it will not do anything to help the poorest into work nor help them do anything along those lines. It will help people to get by but it certainly won't help them any further.

Act to find prejudice and injustice, probably the most vague point on there. Racism is illegal, gay marriage was legalized by the Tories, I don't really get what could be achieved more from this?

Secure the NHS and social care, this is probably where he will hit the right note because yes it needs more money. The problem with the NHS is it always will need more money and where do you draw the line and are we prepared to pay more tax to pay for it? I would, not sure about the poorest in society though, again diminishing returns means with all this money he plans to spend, where is it going to come from?

Democracy in our economy, probably the 2nd most vague statement. Democracy in what, at work, in banks? I don't get it.

Peace and justice abroad, coming from someone who shares platforms with terrorists, harbours anti-semitism in his party.. We all know what that means. It means we will be spending money on becoming a protest nation in the name of Palestine. It does not mean however electing Corbyn will suddenly solve the real problems in the Middle East so that point is pretty much pointless.

As I have pointed out above, those slogans and meaningless points mean absolutely nothing to just about every single average person when you think about what they actually mean.
 
But his policies are not directed at achieving any of them, they are all ideological rather than well thought out. His economy plans are not intended to work for all, they are intended to work for the poor and stuff everyone else. He wants to tax anyone who wants to make money and his entire being is totally against any form of capitalist society. That means there is no economy, it means everyone who works has to pay for everything he wants to do. It means every company will pay more tax on their profits and therefore cannot expand and cannot thrive. It means anyone thinking of starting a business won't bother, anyone with money wanting to invest won't and ultimately it means the whole nation will come to rely on the taxes and effort of the average Joe.

He wants secure homes but no he doesn't, he wants council homes, he has no interest in supporting the private housing sector which is what 75% really need. His very being again is against any support of the private sector because of the so called 'greedy' house builders. His only interest in the private sector is to further tax or hit the landlords which I agree with to a degree but then it doesn't exactly encourage anyone to invest and build.

Our current education system is already free, enough said really.

Action to secure our environment, well what can we really do beyond banning cars, coal, gas etc. Or do we just do what he means and build a load of wind farms and SAY we are doing something when really we aren't.

Security at work well I have had no problems in the last 10 years so that doesn't apply for me anyway, I don't know anyone who has had any real trouble at work either. No doubt Corbyn will bang on about zero hour contracts but well our firm employs 400 people at this site and not a single person is on a zero hours contract. I'm sure there will be some but having the choice by creating jobs and ensuring an environment is there to achieve it is far better.

Cut income and wealth inequality, that just means tax the rich essentially, it will not do anything to help the poorest into work nor help them do anything along those lines. It will help people to get by but it certainly won't help them any further.

Act to find prejudice and injustice, probably the most vague point on there. Racism is illegal, gay marriage was legalized by the Tories, I don't really get what could be achieved more from this?

Secure the NHS and social care, this is probably where he will hit the right note because yes it needs more money. The problem with the NHS is it always will need more money and where do you draw the line and are we prepared to pay more tax to pay for it? I would, not sure about the poorest in society though, again diminishing returns means with all this money he plans to spend, where is it going to come from?

Democracy in our economy, probably the 2nd most vague statement. Democracy in what, at work, in banks? I don't get it.

Peace and justice abroad, coming from someone who shares platforms with terrorists, harbours anti-semitism in his party.. We all know what that means. It means we will be spending money on becoming a protest nation in the name of Palestine. It does not mean however electing Corbyn will suddenly solve the real problems in the Middle East so that point is pretty much pointless.

As I have pointed out above, those slogans and meaningless points mean absolutely nothing to just about every single average person when you think about what they actually mean.

So you are basically saying do nothing even though this country is at 3rd world standards in some things, society is at victorian standards and life is for the 6th richest nation pretty bad (and seriously before I am told we have this that and the other I have lived in france, Thailand, Singapore, the channel islands and others in my time and we are going backwards as a country).

We are capable of being a great country and world leader not a relic living off past glories and failing to uphold what made us great being a baromiter of democracy and modernisation of society.

We were pioneers at times in the set up of a parlianent
health service
social housing
equality and diversity
trade
and many other things, but the last 30 years since thatcher we have turned into a society that is still charitable and decent, but society has been killed by this tory and then progress continuem of the establishment norm, things need to change of ths country will become as significant as albania.
 
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So you are basically saying do nothing even though this country is at 3rd world standards in some thing, society is at victorian standards and life is for the 6th richest nation pretty bad (and seriously before I am told we have this that and the other I have lived in france, Thailand, Singapore, the channel islands and others in my time and we are going backwards as a country).

We are ca0abke of beong a great country and world leader not a relic living off past glories and failing to uphold what made us great being a baromiter of democracy and modernisation of society.

That's fine and there is nothing wrong with his aims they all make sense as goals but for fucks sake tell us HOW! Unless you tell us how you are going to do it and how you ( he) is paying for it its just a load of meaningless waffle.
 
That's fine and there is nothing wrong with his aims they all make sense as goals but for fucks sake tell us HOW! Unless you tell us how you are going to do it and how you ( he) is paying for it its just a load of meaningless waffle.

we are not a skint country, we are just lied to about it. we have been in debt since the nepoleonatic wars as aee most countries, debt is used to distract the public.

London property is now half owned by tax dodging billionaires, the country isn't skint, we just let the super rich get away without paying. Basically the country is mismanaged by thise who profit from it
 
we are not a skint country, we are just lied to about it. we have been in debt since the nepoleonatic wars as aee most countries, debt is used to distract the public.

London property is now half owned by tax dodging billionaires, the country isn't skint, we just let the super rich get away without paying. Basically the country is mismanaged by thise who profit from it

I don't disagree with the second para. Btw I thought Corbyn smashed smith in the debates. But appealing to socialists is one thing appealing to the nation is different. Hopefully they can put this period behind them and start moving forward. I used to vote labour and once was a member but the party seems so far away from me now I am afraid.
 
The intellectual left seem to be missing a vital point. They look at how the tories have distributed the public funds and insist that they'd spend the money differently. Fair enough. What they fail to grasp is that with the likes of corbyn in charge, that income wouldn't exist.
The country would be less business friendly, the markets would nosedive and there'd be a reluctance for outsiders to invest.
 
The intellectual left seem to be missing a vital point. They look at how the tories have distributed the public funds and insist that they'd spend the money differently. Fair enough. What they fail to grasp is that with the likes of corbyn in charge, that income wouldn't exist.
The country would be less business friendly, the markets would nosedive and there'd be a reluctance for outsiders to invest.

You're right, we have to do everything we can to appease unregulated capitalism so we can take it up the arse today, tomorrow and in to eternity.
 
we are not a skint country, we are just lied to about it. we have been in debt since the nepoleonatic wars as aee most countries, debt is used to distract the public.

London property is now half owned by tax dodging billionaires, the country isn't skint, we just let the super rich get away without paying. Basically the country is mismanaged by thise who profit from it

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If only.
 
I don't disagree with the second para. Btw I thought Corbyn smashed smith in the debates. But appealing to socialists is one thing appealing to the nation is different. Hopefully they can put this period behind them and start moving forward. I used to vote labour and once was a member but the party seems so far away from me now I am afraid.

I agree Corbyns appeals because of his socialism is to the labour movement, but the last 10 months he has not been allowed to put this across to everybody else because of the PLP being dicks, maybe he won't appeal but he now should be allowed to put that across and see what happens
 
I agree Corbyns appeals because of his socialism is to the labour movement, but the last 10 months he has not been allowed to put this across to everybody else because of the PLP being dicks, maybe he won't appeal but he now should be allowed to put that across and see what happens

Fair play totally agree. He has won twice now so they may as well get behind him he is going nowhere. He certainly appeals to younger voters as well.
 

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