dctid said:Proelia said:It really is a major problem that we haven't a player out wide that can beat a man and dont get me started on the snails pace we break at
Barca- Messi & Neymar
Madrid- Bale & Tranny
Bayern- Ribery & Robben
Chavs- Hazard & Willian
US - FUCKIN Nasri & Silva and I'm not having a go a silva hes worldclass played through the middle
Exactly. Pace comes from quick passing and thinking more than actual fast running. Something that was sadly lacking today. It's interesting, as you say, that the blueprint for the club when the Spanish fellas came in was high tempo possession football and high intensity pressing off the ball, and this was to be replicated throughout all of the youth teams. But when you watch us play, it's not really happening in the first team. Especially in games like today, where all to often, we go for the lazy direct option, hoofing it up for Aguero to run onto. It's nice to have that as an option, but today it was symptomatic of a lack of ideas going forward, or an inability to pass at a high enough tempo to make Liverpool's pressing game come back to bite them in the arse.City_Sean said:It's not necessarily pace, it's playing at a high tempo and then pressing off the ball. We never ever do this.
Wingers don't have to beat their man and cross it in for someone to head. Beating a man creates an opportunity to run directly into the box at pace which increases the chances of being brought down, creates panic in a defence where a player may run from the middle to close down the runner into the boxs whixh frees up space for a cut back, can just lead to a low cross or just a shot.gerrygowsjockstrap said:Can't beat watching a good winger taking on players & getting crosses in. But who is going to win them in the air? Don't say Dzeko cos we all know he won't. Bony is meant to good in the air. But have'nt seen much of him yet. We need to clear a few players out. Even if it means losing money on them. Then bringing in 1. pacy left & right sided midfield. 2. defensive midfielder (like De Jong was, take no prisoners) 3. a solid left back. Center of defense I believe will sort itself out. Vinnie will come good again & be a leader once more. Love to see MP make us a top euro team. But can never see that happening. So I have to say bring in a manager who can do this. One who is not scarred of letting youth have a go. Who wants to win & nothing else. Lets shut the so called top pundits & media up.
Their pace helped when they lost the ball as they'd close down in packs and hunt the ball back. You cannot do this without pace from a number of players.I'm With Stupid said:Exactly. Pace comes from quick passing and thinking more than actual fast running. Something that was sadly lacking today. It's interesting, as you say, that the blueprint for the club when the Spanish fellas came in was high tempo possession football and high intensity pressing off the ball, and this was to be replicated throughout all of the youth teams. But when you watch us play, it's not really happening in the first team. Especially in games like today, where all to often, we go for the lazy direct option, hoofing it up for Aguero to run onto. It's nice to have that as an option, but today it was symptomatic of a lack of ideas going forward, or an inability to pass at a high enough tempo to make Liverpool's pressing game come back to bite them in the arse.City_Sean said:It's not necessarily pace, it's playing at a high tempo and then pressing off the ball. We never ever do this.
Incidentally, Messi may be fast, but I don't think the great Barcelona team of a few years ago ever won a game because of their pace. Hell, in most cases, their opponents were camped around their 18 yard box as Barcelona passed the ball from side to side looking for an opening.
Maybe, but even that I think is more about a desire, willingness and anticipation than actual pace (obviously in some situations pace is important). Kinda like how Tevez used to and Milner often does when he comes on. The other advantage Barca usually have is that they have so much of the ball that on the odd occasion they do lose it, they're fresh enough to chase it down energetically. The annoying thing is that this is exactly what our team is supposed to be doing. When the Spanish boys came in, they said they were implementing a style of play throughout the club based on quick passing, a 4-3-3 formation, and a high intensity pressing game when we lose the ball. But that's clearly not how Pellegrini plays. He plays 2 up top and when we lose the ball, it's more about getting back into position than pressuring the ball. Ironically, Liverpool showed us exactly how to do it yesterday.KippaxCitizen said:Their pace helped when they lost the ball as they'd close down in packs and hunt the ball back. You cannot do this without pace from a number of players.I'm With Stupid said:Exactly. Pace comes from quick passing and thinking more than actual fast running. Something that was sadly lacking today. It's interesting, as you say, that the blueprint for the club when the Spanish fellas came in was high tempo possession football and high intensity pressing off the ball, and this was to be replicated throughout all of the youth teams. But when you watch us play, it's not really happening in the first team. Especially in games like today, where all to often, we go for the lazy direct option, hoofing it up for Aguero to run onto. It's nice to have that as an option, but today it was symptomatic of a lack of ideas going forward, or an inability to pass at a high enough tempo to make Liverpool's pressing game come back to bite them in the arse.City_Sean said:It's not necessarily pace, it's playing at a high tempo and then pressing off the ball. We never ever do this.
Incidentally, Messi may be fast, but I don't think the great Barcelona team of a few years ago ever won a game because of their pace. Hell, in most cases, their opponents were camped around their 18 yard box as Barcelona passed the ball from side to side looking for an opening.
Proelia said:It really is a major problem that we haven't a player out wide that can beat a man and dont get me started on the snails pace we break at
Barca- Messi & Neymar
Madrid- Bale & Tranny
Bayern- Ribery & Robben
Chavs- Hazard & Willian
US - FUCKIN Nasri & Silva and I'm not having a go a silva hes worldclass played through the middle