Landing on the moon

[bluespana]

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-part ... n_landings</a>

 

[Skashion]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

And?

 

[SamTHorn]

I just start the documentary--so for it looks great. Thanks for the share.

~ Sam

Now i'm usually not into all this conspiracy shit, until I watched this I would have argued with anyone that we landed on the moon, now I am not so sure. I didn't realise the evidence against it, and the very last part of this video showing a clip from inside the rocket has put doubts into my mind.

Do you think we landed on the moon?

also watch the vid then give me your answer after too :P

<a class="postlink" href="http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-moon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/a-funny- ... -the-moon/</a>

 

[1.618034]

Yes we did.

This site examines and answers all the various evidence for some people believing it was a hoax...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Did%20we%20land%20on%20the%20Moon.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Did%20we% ... 20Moon.htm</a>

I can remember (So can I...) the night of July 20th 1969 sitting in front of my television in the early hours of the morning watching a grainy black and white image of Neil Armstrong climbing carefully down the ladder of the Lunar Module and stepping out onto the surface of the Moon, the first man to have done so. It was a magical, awe inspiring moment that I shall never forget. A man was walking on the Moon, 240,000 miles away, and I was watching it happen, live, on the TV that sat in the corner of my living room! Amazing! "That's one small step for (a) man, one giant leap for mankind". It certainly was. I felt privileged to be able to witness such a remarkable moment in history.

For a brief history of spaceflight leading up to the moon landings and schematics of the Apollo and Saturn V spacecraft see The journey to the Moon <a class="postlink" href="http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/The%20journey%20to%20the%20Moon.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/The%20jou ... 20Moon.htm</a>

There are however, some people questioning if that event actually took place. They are basing this on what they perceive as some discrepancies in some of the photographs from among the thousands that were taken by the Apollo astronauts, and for various other assorted reasons. They believe that the Moon landings were mocked up in a film studio and that the Apollo crews never left low earth orbit. I honestly think that this is so sad, the greatest technological achievement yet by the human race and these people don't believe it happened. Even sadder, they do not possess the understanding to realise that they are completely wrong and that their arguments are incredibly foolish, to put it mildly.

All the claims that it was a hoax are based on errors and ignorance.

The most surprising thing to me about this ridiculous claim that it was a hoax, is that some people actually manage to believe it was! How do they manage it? If it really was a hoax do you not think that the Russians at least would have been able to expose it? After all, the ONLY reason for going to the Moon was to beat the Russians to it, yet they have never once even hinted at the possibility that it was a hoax, they know it was real! That is why they gave up their own attempt after they ran into problems with their booster, it kept exploding on take off! There was no point in them continuing once they realised the Americans had beaten them to it. Nobody in the world had more reason to want to prove it was a hoax than the Russians. The Russians are not daft, they were closely monitoring the Americans every inch of the way, and were able to determine for a fact that the Americans did actually land on the Moon, much to their annoyance. If the Russians say the Americans landed on the Moon, and they do, then the Americans landed on the Moon. It's that simple.

Why do some people believe it was a hoax?

There are however, some people (not many) who do believe it was a hoax, but then some people are prepared to believe just about anything! Maybe it's because they saw the TV program "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?" It was shown In the States in February 2001 and later here in the UK. The programme points out 'errors' in the photographs, that there are no stars visible, that the flag waves in the 'breeze', and a host of other silly stuff. This joke of a show was so idiotic it is beyond understanding how it could fool anyone. It was in fact so bad that the Network, FOX, distanced themselves from the broadcast with a disclaimer admitting that "The theories expressed [in the show] are not the only possible interpretation." That's just another way of saying "This is a heap of manure even by our standards". For a full scientific explanation of every so called 'error' claimed by the programme, visit the following excellent site.Bad Astronomy: Bad TV. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html</a>

Another reason why people may believe it was a hoax may be due to the efforts of a small number of people who make a living by selling books and videos 'exposing the hoax'. The trouble these people run into is that because it was not a hoax, they have to work very hard to make it seem, however tenuously, that it was. The consequence of this is that the claims they make are both idiotic and farcical in their desperate attempts to get you to part with your cash.

Before you are fooled into parting with your hard earned cash, check out my pages on two of the best known purveyors of unmitigated nonsense-for-cash-in the moon hoax business Bart Sibrel and Bill Kaysing Check out both of my pages for details of why the material they want you to buy is nothing but pure garbage.

These two jokers work VERY hard to get you to part with your cash, promising all sorts of 'proof'. It is only after you have parted with your cash and seen the 'proof' that you realise, too late of course, you have been well and truly done. Those of you that have already purchased their nonsense will know what I mean. If however you have seen their videos or read their books and still believe it was a hoax, then you have mistakenly stumbled onto the wrong site, this one is for thinking people who have a fully functioning brain. Goodbye, thank you for calling.

There is just too much evidence for if you want to look for it...?

This is the full library of every photograph taken on and around the Apollo missions...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html</a>

There are 724 in the Apollo 11 gallery alone.

This along with the thousands of radio hams and scientists who were constantly tracking every move/communication from Earth...


But as I say it all boils down to what you want to believe and how hard you're prepared to look at the actual evidence.


PS If I'd been Buzz Aldrin, I'd have punched that bloke too!<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:57 pm --<br /><br />

DAMOCLES HAS SPOKEN SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[buzzer1]

We deffo landed on the moon and are up there mining something or other right now.

I have to disagree with you on this one. We did get up there, maybe not Apollo 11, but we are not mining anything on the moon. If we were, there would be too much evidence to make a very good claim. Where are the rocktes/spacecraft that are landing and taking off? Big things like that can't be held a secret.

The technology is not that advanced as well, too much money would be wasted for fuel and other things. Plus the people on the moon would need endless amount of energy to survive for a long period of time, and we don't have that technology, yet. Solar panels are not very efficient, yet.

The moon also has around 30 days (earth days) of sun and about the same of darkness. In the sun, the temperature are around 150 degrees C while in the dark its around -150 degrees C. Very, very hot and very very cold. We also don't have good enough protection from the solar and cosmos radiation to protect the people, and more importantly the instruments :) . So "mining" the moon 99% unlikely.
Edit :
The mean temperature in the day is +102 degrees C. In the dark its -153 degrees C. The max temperature is 123 C, and the min is -233 C ( 40 degrees warmer than absolute zero :) ).

So there is a chance then mate. When City were 2 down against Gillingham, what chance would you have given us to come back? just a question btw. Also, the above information that you have given and indeed information and so called facts that have been put on this thread, how can you take it as gospel and the 100% truth, maybe, just maybe we are being lied to? Just a thought.

 

[Damocles]

They could only have been installed by humans because the technology of the time couldn't land something like that on the Moon without smashing the quartz crystals. Also, landing in such a precise place and angle was and is damn near impossible.

Yet the Russians achieved it only a year later. Good old Ruskies.

No they didn't. They landed a robot not unlike the Mars Rover on the Moon two years later, and it worked for about 12 months because, unlike Apollo 11, they couldn't position it in such a way where the direct sunlight wouldn't burn it out.
What you are thinking about is because the Russians landed a SIMILAR array in five years after Apollo, on a rover. Unfortunately though, the rover was completely knackered and stopped working, but by pure dumb luck, the body of it was positioned in such a way whereby the crystals would continue to work.

Besides, you are completely misinterpreting the timescales involved in the tech race here. The difference in time between Apollo 1 and Apollo 11 was 2 years. The first man in space to the first man on the Moon, 8 years.

 

[sweynforkbeard]

Now i'm usually not into all this conspiracy shit, until I watched this I would have argued with anyone that we landed on the moon, now I am not so sure. I didn't realise the evidence against it, and the very last part of this video showing a clip from inside the rocket has put doubts into my mind.

Do you think we landed on the moon?

also watch the vid then give me your answer after too :P

<a class="postlink" href="http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-moon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/a-funny- ... -the-moon/</a>

We deffo landed on the moon and are up there mining something or other right now.

Correct. The facts: in the 1960s the world was starting to feel the effects of a damaging cheese shortage. In a humanitarian effort of gargantuan proportions the USA transformed a large part of its military rocketry programme into a mission to avert the looming crisis. The fact that 95% of cheese sold by the Co-Op last year was moon sourced tells us all we need to know about the debt we owe to the huge input of $ and lives made by the Yanks. Scoff you might, but has there been a pizza war or toasty crisis? As Neil Armstrong said, 'A small step for (a) man, but a giant leap for manchego.'

 

[Barcon]

I've landed on the moon, any doughead can do it.

 

[Skashion]

Yet the Russians achieved it only a year later. Good old Ruskies.

No they didn't. They landed a robot not unlike the Mars Rover on the Moon two years later, and it worked for about 12 months because, unlike Apollo 11, they couldn't position it in such a way where the direct sunlight wouldn't burn it out.
What you are thinking about is because the Russians landed a SIMILAR array in five years after Apollo, on a rover. Unfortunately though, the rover was completely knackered and stopped working, but by pure dumb luck, the body of it was positioned in such a way whereby the crystals would continue to work.

Besides, you are completely misinterpreting the timescales involved in the tech race here. The difference in time between Apollo 1 and Apollo 11 was 2 years. The first man in space to the first man on the Moon, 8 years.

I disagree. Firstly, Lunokhod 1A was launched in early 1969 but was destroyed due to a failed launch. Secondly, Lunokhod 1, which landed on November 17, 1970 (one year and four months - not two years) did have a retroreflector and did work i.e. bounced back a signal until the rover itself, not the array, stopped working about ten months later (incidentally it was only designed to last three months) and was lost. NASA still believes the array will still work, and now they've found it via the LROC, they should be able to prove it and use it to improve their figures. No, I wasn't thinking about Lunokhod 2, although worked because they didn't lose it after the rover stopped working. Again, this landed on January 15th, 1973 - three years and sixth months afterwards, not five years.

Not sure what your point is on the timescale but I'm sure you'll have a reason.

 

[MCFCinUSA]

Buzzer my mate, have you ever stopped just to think why anyone would want to lie to you?

I mean, what's their motivation? What and where is it getting them - whomever wanted to lie to you?

Why?

(and then who is going to sign off on all the cheques to pay for it, and justify the expense?)

We've had space shuttles blow-up, right in front of our eyes.. shit happens - no 'cover-ups' no 'hoaxes', and who the hell would bother to concoct any such thing anyway for the Moon shot - despite it all being so completely preposterous as so many people have pointed out. It would be impossible.

I guess I shouldn't be asking these questions because what I see people writing on here is truly frightening, and you're convinced everything is a cover-up and where simple obvious explanations abound (like 9/11 - people hijack aircraft and fly them into buildings) instead you see conspiratorial gov'ts lying to you and very rich people controlling things and pulling strings behind your back (for whatever reasons I do not know).

if you'd ever met any seriously rich people Buzzer you'd know they're not after making more money or taking risks to lose everything they've got (or breaking laws involving hair-brained schemes, committing mass murder and being heinously evil) all they want to do is enjoy what they have quietly and protect themselves from the crazies around the place that might make them feel insecure and threatened... indeed, some of them are even busy going about giving a lot of their money away. They're not plotting world domination - is that what you'd be up to if $500 million dropped in your lap?

- or perhaps you'd just be like any other normal person and go about enjoying what good fortune you had in your life?

(I've got to stay away from these sorts of threads, there's really no point in me being involved in them)