Learn CPR

[Blue Maverick]

Just watching BBC with Muamba and a few other footballers have been saved by CPR, I’d urge anyone if they get the chance to do even a 20/30 min course, that’s all it takes to learn, if you witness it jumping on straight away will give them a huge chance of survival. Don’t worry you cannot do any harm, they are dead already! You will if done properly hear the cracking of ribs and sternum, don’t worry this is natural. It’s all about confidence, you will be knackered doing it believe me, even 2 mins it’s exhausting, but keep going.

 

[sweeps feet]

Totally agree anyone can do cpr with a little bit of training ,I have had to do it twice on family members ,and went on to be a first aid trainer for the post office for over 25 years

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Done CPR for real 3 times. One made it to hospital alive, one flatlined on the side of a mountain in the pissing down rain and one never stood a chance (very old and frail - broke a few ribs doing that one).

It's exhausting if you do it properly, and it's actually quite brutal but it really is worth it. 30:2 30 compression, 2 breaths) for an adult at around 100-120 reps per minute and at least 2" depth. Rescue breaths are optional, as the act of compressing the chest does shift oxygen through the lungs. Ironically, the beat of the song 'Staying Alive' by the Bee Gees is about the correct rate for chest compression.

Should be taught in all schools.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Done CPR for real 3 times. One made it to hospital alive, one flatlined on the side of a mountain in the pissing down rain and one never stood a chance (very old and frail - broke a few ribs doing that one).

It's exhausting if you do it properly, and it's actually quite brutal but it really is worth it. 30:2 30 compression, 2 breaths) for an adult at around 100-120 reps per minute and at least 2" depth. Rescue breaths are optional, as the act of compressing the chest does shift oxygen through the lungs. Ironically, the beat of the song 'Staying Alive' by the Bee Gees is about the correct rate for chest compression.

Should be taught in all schools.

I wouldn’t recommend anyone doing breaths, unless it’s a close family member, just keep the oxygenated blood circulating to the brain, that dies after 4 mins of no oxygen. Like you say Staying Alive or Nelly the elephant are good rhythms although try not to sing it whilst doing it, ha ha.

 

[Cityfan]

I wouldn’t recommend anyone doing breaths, unless it’s a close family member, just keep the oxygenated blood circulating to the brain, that dies after 4 mins of no oxygen. Like you say Staying Alive or Nelly the elephant are good rhythms although try not to sing it whilst doing it, ha ha.

Its your choice whether or not to give rescue breaths but the blood becomes de-oxygenated quite quickly if you don't.
Last time I gave cpr was on a mountain side with my daughter giving the compressions and myself doing the breaths.
Chap made it into hospital but sadly died a few days later.

 

[TinFoilHat]

 

[Blue Maverick]

Its your choice whether or not to give rescue breaths but the blood becomes de-oxygenated quite quickly if you don't.
Last time I gave cpr was on a mountain side with my daughter giving the compressions and myself doing the breaths.
Chap made it into hospital but sadly died a few days later.

I take what your saying mate but the risk of infection is always there with breaths, no professional would ever do it, CPR whether for heart attack or cardiac arrest is to keep the brain alive, like I said after 4 mins your brain starts to die with no blood, Ive done around 40 cardiac arrests and we think only 1 made it (they won’t tell you) bearing in mind the equipment and how quick we got to them it’s not a lot, heart attacks are more survivable, cardiac needs a Defibrillator as quick as possible and experts with drugs etc, but like I’ve stated someone doing something gives them a better chance than nothing.
I applaud you and your daughter by way of trying to help that man, many just stand back, through no fault of their own many just don’t know how or are to scared to have a go.

 

[Cityfan]

I take what your saying mate but the risk of infection is always there with breaths, no professional would ever do it, CPR whether for heart attack or cardiac arrest is to keep the brain alive, like I said after 4 mins your brain starts to die with no blood, Ive done around 40 cardiac arrests and we think only 1 made it (they won’t tell you) bearing in mind the equipment and how quick we got to them it’s not a lot, heart attacks are more survivable, cardiac needs a Defibrillator as quick as possible and experts with drugs etc, but like I’ve stated someone doing something gives them a better chance than nothing.
I applaud you and your daughter by way of trying to help that man, many just stand back, through no fault of their own many just don’t know how or are to scared to have a go.

I am or was (I've retired) a professional and have probably attended literally hundreds of cardiac arrests. Professionals don't usually need to give mouth to mouth as they have appropriate equipment. Without equipment ( which has only happened to me a few times) I would usually give mouth to mouth as the absolute risk is probably low but it is not zero.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I take what your saying mate but the risk of infection is always there with breaths, no professional would ever do it, CPR whether for heart attack or cardiac arrest is to keep the brain alive, like I said after 4 mins your brain starts to die with no blood, Ive done around 40 cardiac arrests and we think only 1 made it (they won’t tell you) bearing in mind the equipment and how quick we got to them it’s not a lot, heart attacks are more survivable, cardiac needs a Defibrillator as quick as possible and experts with drugs etc, but like I’ve stated someone doing something gives them a better chance than nothing.
I applaud you and your daughter by way of trying to help that man, many just stand back, through no fault of their own many just don’t know how or are to scared to have a go.

The guy we gave CPR to on the side of Snowdon, we had a defib and a BVM/O2 with us, but he essentially had a non-shockable rhythm, and we had no drugs with us anyway. He had about 15 minutes of CPR, but with deteriorating weather, and no chance of a helicopter we had to call it and carry him out on a stretcher.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I am or was (I've retired) a professional and have probably attended literally hundreds of cardiac arrests. Professionals don't usually need to give mouth to mouth as they have appropriate equipment. Without equipment ( which has only happened to me a few times) I would usually give mouth to mouth as the absolute risk is probably low but it is not zero.

That’s upto you mate but I wouldn’t and never would, unless I knew that person.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

That’s upto you mate but I wouldn’t and never would, unless I knew that person.

If there was any blood/vomit present, or there is a potential that poisoning was involved, then I most definitely wouldn't. Any other occasion would have to be taken on merit. Ultimately it's the individuals call.

 

[Cityfan]

If there was any blood/vomit present, or there is a potential that poisoning was involved, then I most definitely wouldn't. Any other occasion would have to be taken on merit. Ultimately it's the individuals call.

I agree , pick the ones where it's likely to make a difference. I'm an old bugger though and mouth to mouth was part of what we were taught.
I would for example always use it in a child.

 

[ob]

Did CPR and Defib training in work yesterday. Hopefully never have to use it. Got a wee badge as apparently I'm a London Life saver now according to London Ambulance Service. They talked about Muamba yesterday as I'd asked how many times can you give someone the Defib. The answer was as many as you need to until ambulance arrives. They'd said he'd had roughly a dozen shocks which saved his life

 

[Blue Maverick]

Did CPR and Defib training in work yesterday. Hopefully never have to use it. Got a wee badge as apparently I'm a London Life saver now according to London Ambulance Service. They talked about Muamba yesterday as I'd asked how many times can you give someone the Defib. The answer was as many as you need to until ambulance arrives. They'd said he'd had roughly a dozen shocks which saved his life

As long as it keeps detecting a shockable rhythm, it’s hard work when you do it for real even if there’s a few of you however it gives people a better chance, it’s all about confidence.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

My missus works for the Air Ambulance and she's one of the trainers who teach this very important skill, and defib also.

The amount of people and business's that are requesting sessions has increased significantly in the last 12 months or so. She was doing some stats for work the other night, and the team have trained nearly 3000 people in the last year.

 

[stonerblue]

My missus works for the Air Ambulance and she's one of the trainers who teach this very important skill, and defib also.

The amount of people and business's that are requesting sessions has increased significantly in the last 12 months or so. She was doing some stats for work the other night, and the team have trained nearly 3000 people in the last year.

Fair play to your breadknife

 

[kaz7]

I was saved with cpr this year, few people survive it and so i was very lucky to be in a and e at the time. I had an unshockable rthymn so they had to go hard on the chest compressions and breathe for me till my heart started again

It was a woman consultant doing the compressions and fucking hell she was brutal! Obviously i am glad she gave it some welly but recovering the chest pain took several months. To do it properly is brutal so if you find yourself needing to do it you must be very brave, arms straight and use your upper body for extra power

The terrible survival rate for out of hospital cardiac arrests in part because people are scared to press hard,like i say be brave and a broken rib is better than death

As for the woman doctor who did my compressions, i might have her name inked over my heart! I havent yet worked out from my notes who kept me breathing but it was recorded who was there but there isnt room for them all lol

Go forth and save a life!

Much love xxx

 

[ob]

I was saved with cpr this year, few people survive it and so i was very lucky to be in a and e at the time. I had an unshockable rthymn so they had to go hard on the chest compressions and breathe for me till my heart started again

It was a woman consultant doing the compressions and fucking hell she was brutal! Obviously i am glad she gave it some welly but recovering the chest pain took several months. To do it properly is brutal so if you find yourself needing to do it you must be very brave, arms straight and use your upper body for extra power

The terrible survival rate for out of hospital cardiac arrests in part because people are scared to press hard,like i say be brave and a broken rib is better than death

As for the woman doctor who did my compressions, i might have her name inked over my heart! I havent yet worked out from my notes who kept me breathing but it was recorded who was there but there isnt room for them all lol

Go forth and save a life!

Much love xxx

So glad you're here to type that Kaz

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I was saved with cpr this year, few people survive it and so i was very lucky to be in a and e at the time. I had an unshockable rthymn so they had to go hard on the chest compressions and breathe for me till my heart started again

It was a woman consultant doing the compressions and fucking hell she was brutal! Obviously i am glad she gave it some welly but recovering the chest pain took several months. To do it properly is brutal so if you find yourself needing to do it you must be very brave, arms straight and use your upper body for extra power

The terrible survival rate for out of hospital cardiac arrests in part because people are scared to press hard,like i say be brave and a broken rib is better than death

As for the woman doctor who did my compressions, i might have her name inked over my heart! I havent yet worked out from my notes who kept me breathing but it was recorded who was there but there isnt room for them all lol

Go forth and save a life!

Much love xxx

Unshockable rhythms are lucky to come back from at all. So lucky you were in A&E and glad you made it.

Breathing is usually done with either a Bag-valve-mask (BVM) with oxygen feed or a machine if you're in hospital, and intubated to protect the airway and maximise flow. I've had to do it on the ground. I was controlling someone's airway when they went into CA and I ended up with their head between my knees pumping the bag. In hospital it's usually an anesthetist who manages your breathing

You never forget the sound and feel of breaking ribs when you do CPR on a frail person. As you say, being on the receiving end you know how absolutely brutal it is.

 

[kaz7]

So glad you're here to type that Kaz

Thanks lovely x