Liverpool Thread 2014/15

[squirtyflower]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Brenton getting the hacks on side, blame everybody else. He's a grade A'r.

It seems both sides are 'briefing' their friends in the press

Is going to get ugly and messy

Great. Nothing quite as entertaining as watching sanctimonious hypocrites wash their dirty linen in public.
After the highs of last April, the recriminations are powerful. Already, the blame game has begun. Soon, one suspects, we will have the blood-letting.
Only question then, is who replaces Bulllshitter of the Year...
Carra-la & Stevie Me to pitch themselves as the managerial dream team, perhaps?

the coup-de-grace

wouldn't you just love it

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

I said in this thread a couple of weeks back that I would love to know the true nature of the relationship between Brenda and Stevie Overrated. Pretty sure though now that the Press can't sit on this forever. It was about this time last year that the Moyes/Rio/Jagielka story surfaced. Someone, sometime soon is getting thrown to the wolves.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

So with what Liverpool spent their numbers don't add up to any value at all, which makes you question just who exactly is in charge of the money there.

You'll enjoy this thread in that case, Ben: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=318844.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/ind ... c=318844.0</a>

This is why, first choice, Martinez turned Liverpool down and went to Everton despite Everton having FAR less money to spend. Don't forget, Rodgers was about third choice even though he says "there's nobody better for this job than me" (Jesus Brendan, talk about talking yourself up!).

I thought these two were a good read:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11284410/Liverpools-problems-Delusions-of-grandeur-transfer-duds-and-failure-to-fix-clear-flaws-in-the-squad.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... squad.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2296954-inside-line-liverpools-transfer-committee-has-been-a-spectacular-failure" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2296 ... ar-failure</a>

 

[squirtyflower]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Only just realised that two of their transfer committee are ex-City staff who went AWOL
Aren't they also the two who we think hacked our database of players?

I wonder if they're really double agents on the Sheikh's payroll still

 

[superseiyan]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Dalglish was the reaction to Hodgson and really wasn't the right candidate longer term but I could see why they asked him to do it. Wasn't the purchase of Carroll/downing part of the 'Moneyball' theory, with Carroll scoring the most headed goals and Downing supplying the most crosses beibng the justification? I'm sure that's what I heard at the time but whatever, we all know you overpaid horribly. However both doing a good job at West Ham now so clearly not bad players.

I can certainly see the justification for writing this season off & giving him another season to try to get things right. After all, he bought a lot of players in the summer and it's hard to integrate that number quickly. But can he integrate them at all? There's no evidence he can organise defensively and little more that he knows how to set a team up. He seems to lurch from one disaster to another, without knowing his best team. That would worry me more than anything. He needs to sort out his preferred line-up and get them playing together regularly.

James Pearce in The Echo is now reporting that this Transfer Committee of yours votes by a simple majority and that Rodgers didn't want Balotelli (which he stated publcily) but was outvoted. Also that other managers turned the job down when they found out they would not have the final say on signings and team affairs but would have ot report to a DoF. Seems like relations between Rodgers and the rest of the committee aren't good and they've dragged their feet on the chance to sign better players (like Vorm, Costa, Sanchez & Willian) because they wouldn't sanction the spend or (in the case of Sanchez) pissed about on the negotiations. It really doesn't sound good for you if that's true. Your owners really don't understand the game and whoever is advising them clearly isn't doing a good job. Having read all that, I actually feel a bit sorry for Bodger, although he's certainly partly the architect of his own downfall.

Liverpool side on Sunday: Jones, Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno, Henderson, Allen, Gerrard, Coutinho, Lallana, Sterling.
Subs: Mignolet, Toure, Lucas, Can, Markovic, Lambert, Balotelli.

What they could have had for the same net spend in the summer:
Team: Vorm, Manquillo, Skrtel, Alderweireld, Moreno, Song, Gerrard, Sterling, Coutinho, Sanchez, Mandzukic.
Subs: Mignolet, Johnson, Sakho, Lucas, Henderson, Tadic, Valencia.

Sales = £83m.
Current Spend: £116.5m.
New Sales: £48m.
New Spend: £56m (excluding Sanchez who is included in Suarez deal).

Considering you had a net spend of £33m last summer, you'd then have £27m to spend on another player, maybe a Lovren, Lallana or Markovic, but perhaps someone else top draw. Don't think that's an unreasonable change from what you did.

That's some flawed logic.

Doesn't take into account wages nor the desire for players to join clubs.

I disagree and the OP is right.

What you're saying holds when we're shopping at the top end of the market. Ok, maybe it's an issue getting Benzema, Di Maria or Reus to want to come to Liverpool. Or to pay their market value.

But are Vorm, Alderweid, Tadic, Valencia able happily play for Southampton and West Ham (let alone Atletico) but they're out of our reach? Both in terms of pull or wages? I'm not buying it.

Now that said, Valencia and Tadic have looked good so far but it's early days. Same for players like Markovic and Lallana too early to brand them failures, but the problem with these two is that they were completely redundant and unnecessary, not that they are shit players.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

https://vine.co/v/OvBUDvguVWM

Hahahaha.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Liverpool side on Sunday: Jones, Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno, Henderson, Allen, Gerrard, Coutinho, Lallana, Sterling.
Subs: Mignolet, Toure, Lucas, Can, Markovic, Lambert, Balotelli.

What they could have had for the same net spend in the summer:
Team: Vorm, Manquillo, Skrtel, Alderweireld, Moreno, Song, Gerrard, Sterling, Coutinho, Sanchez, Mandzukic.
Subs: Mignolet, Johnson, Sakho, Lucas, Henderson, Tadic, Valencia.

Sales = £83m.
Current Spend: £116.5m.
New Sales: £48m.
New Spend: £56m (excluding Sanchez who is included in Suarez deal).

Considering you had a net spend of £33m last summer, you'd then have £27m to spend on another player, maybe a Lovren, Lallana or Markovic, but perhaps someone else top draw. Don't think that's an unreasonable change from what you did.

That's some flawed logic.

Doesn't take into account wages nor the desire for players to join clubs.

I disagree and the OP is right.

What you're saying holds when we're shopping at the top end of the market. Ok, maybe it's an issue getting Benzema, Di Maria or Reus to want to come to Liverpool. Or to pay their market value.

But are Vorm, Alderweid, Tadic, Valencia able happily play for Southampton and West Ham (let alone Atletico) but they're out of our reach? Both in terms of pull or wages? I'm not buying it.

Now that said, Valencia and Tadic have looked good so far but it's early days. Same for players like Markovic and Lallana too early to brand them failures, but the problem with these two is that they were completely redundant and unnecessary, not that they are shit players.

Exactly, the point was not that Liverpool should necessarily have bought Tadic or Valencia, just that players of that ilk were on the market for much better value than the likes of Markovic and Lallana. This either means buy them and save cash that could go on strengthening other areas of the squad, or go towards the wage bill to afford a Mandzukic/Sanchez, or even not buy them but have done a better job recruitment wise, which Liverpool should have done.

 

[mat]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Only just realised that two of their transfer committee are ex-City staff who went AWOL
Aren't they also the two who we think hacked our database of players?

I wonder if they're really double agents on the Sheikh's payroll still

Along with Agent Mario.
:)

 

[adrianr]

Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Brenton getting the hacks on side, blame everybody else. He's a grade A'r.

It seems both sides are 'briefing' their friends in the press

Is going to get ugly and messy

Can you imagine if it was us? An article appears in the MEN clearly leaked by someone at the club, probably the manager or someone close to him, which is hugely critical of Soriano & Begiristain and our supposed failures in identifying and buying players. The media would be all over it. SSN, TalkSport, the sport pages of the papers would all be talking about nothing else. We'd be hearing all about dessing room splits, Pellegrini under pressure, search for a new manager, boardroom battles, ownership a shambles, etc. All the sort of stuff we got 18 months ago over Mancini. Yet there's nothing.

Not even a little wrong. To be honest if you just swapped Rodgers out for a foreign manager they would be getting it in the neck a hundred fold what they are right now. Way too many allegiances with managers like Bodgers in the British press.

 

[jimharri]

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