Liverpool thread 2020/21

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I just don't get their unrelenting loyalty to players. Salah is an absolute diving tosspot but I am yet to speak to a kopite who says "yeh he does go down easily". Richarlison is a theatrical whopper sometimes and if he dived and won a pen I would happily admit it and just be glad the ref was kind to us.

Salah and Mane can hold off 3 players with ease but any touch in the box and flailing arms and screaming but their fans will never admit it. Cult mentality
 
My question is, does he have a Plan B? It's all gegenpressing, Firmino as a sort of false 9, full-backs getting high up the field, pinning opposition wide players back and pinging accurate crosses in. It works, in the same way Ferguson's tactics worked, because they had the right players who were very good at playing the system.

Gegenpressing is a hard tactic to counter; you have to be exceptionally good to play your way out of it & even we struggle to do it. But you can't do it for 90 minutes, as the history of our games there have shown.

In 2019/20 we were 2 down within 15 minutes;
In 2017/18 we went behind inside 10 minutes;
In the CL game we were 2 down in 20 minutes;
In 2016/17 we went behind inside 10 minutes.

Generally we've looked the stronger in the last 20 minutes of those games but it was also a characteristic of those games that we'd completely go to pieces for 10 or 15 minutes.

Pep has adapted (although not always effectively) and though we weren't comfortable in that first half, we got through it. Having changed things in the second we took the game to them, with the outcome that they (and their keeper particularly) went to pieces under our pressure.

I'm dubious whether Flopp can make the fundamental changes required to his system to get them back on track. He hasn't got the tactical flexibility that Pep has shown throughout his career. If the brute force gegenpressing approach
doesn't work, is there. anything else in Flopp's cupboard? I suspect the answer is no.
What a fantastic post.

You can see how the games have played out especially at Anfield but at the Etihad as well.

When we beat the 5-0, they had a couple of chances early doors but didn't take advantage and eventually ran out of steam. The same in the 4-0 last season.

Pep has learned how to ride it out and then pick them off.

I wouldn't worry a jot about drawing them in the Champions League this season.
 
This is a fair point. It wasn't that long ago that many of our fans were asking searching questions of our own team and manager, and even Pep's contract extension drew a muted response in some quarters because they felt he'd taken the team as far as he could. This was exacerbated by the 2-0 defeat at Spurs which came just a few days after he signed that new deal. I and others tried not to get dragged into that but I have to admit that I was getting concerned myself. Fast forward 8-10 weeks and the situation looks completely different so it can change for the better and quickly. What I would say though is that we seemingly went back to basics and learnt how to defend again first and foremost, then used that as a springboard for taking the handbrake off later. It wasn't pretty at first but it was a necessity. The question is - can Liverpool do something similar with their defence even when van Dijk and the other CBs return? For me, the likes of Matip and Gomez are nowhere near good enough to partner him on a regular basis and I'm not sure those other two they've signed are either. IMO they need someone close to the level of Dias for us to team up with van Dijk, and there aren't many of those players around.
I'll say their slump isn't down to injuries. Their slump has began since the COVID restart, when they stuttered to the title. At that point, there were no notable injuries to their squad but they already started to look mentally fatigued.

I do think they need to refresh the squad, either on a personnel-basis or tactically. It isn't something exclusive to Liverpool, I believe every club needs to do that every 3-4 years, more-so if you're near/at the top. The players need fresh ideas. It doesn't even have to be huge radical changes, but subtle tactical adjustments can be beneficial. It becomes even more prevalent if the other teams around you start 'figuring you out'.

For us, we introduced Foden as a mainstay in the first 11, added Cancelo's dynamism, playing with a false 9, all whilst playing a more conservative approach.

I wonder if Klopp can come up with something new. He left Dortmund after Dortmund started showing similar signs. He did switch up from a more intensive and reactive Gegenpress system, to a more patient, possession-based system after his first year with Liverpool. At this point, without Jota (or arguably Keita), there isn't enough quality off his bench to offer the squad fresher ideas.
 
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