Liverpool Thread | 2024/25

[ninjamonkey]

Just to ensure that we all know the desperate lengths the dipper imaginations will go to to persuade each other that CITY are about to be 'destroyed' - here is an example from today:

Quote from: DangerScouse on Yesterday at 11:51:06 pm

I've not seen anything, but there's no credible justification they could offer. Since they've been cheating, plenty of other clubs have co-operated with the Premier League and many have been fined, and some docked points.

City's failure to comply with requests since 2018 only reinforces their guilt, and the likelihood of all the suspicions and charges being true. There's every chance they'll get punished for the 115 charges, and then face another investigation covering the last 6 years. I still think there's no way the PL would ever have gone public with such a long list of charges without being absolutely certain of their evidence, and chances of making it all stick. They know their own rules, and will have written them with expert legal advice as it's a multi-£billion global league. They wouldn't risk their own reputation and the league's credibility by going public with a case they might lose. The recent developments of us, Utd, Chelsea and Spurs submitting our intentions to sue for compensation are further evidence that multiple parties are preparing for City's downfall.

The best thing is that if they are severely punished for the initial charges then it guarantees there is plenty more to come. It would be like a criminal being put behind bars and their sentence being extended when more crimes come to light. The added bonus is that this would tarnish Guardiola's reputation forever, along with some of the most dislikeable players and fans in football history. City Football Group would also never be the same, as I imagine Sheik Mansour and his gang of crooks will quickly sell up and retreat to the desert in the aftermath.

I love the sheer stupidity of the first bold sentence in this remarkably often seen claim. "You wouldn't seek a fair trial if you were innocent" is what he's just said. So by that amazing logic, all the scousers that campaigned for an independent investigation into Hillsborough for decades actually knew they were guilty as sin because they definitely wouldn't fight a guilty verdict and want a fair investigation if they were actually innocent...

As for the second bolded part, if only there was a very recent high profile example of an independent panel ruling that the premier league have acted unlawfully in the implementation of their rules...

Anybody with anything over room temperature IQ could dismantle this moronic views, you'd expect somebody to have called the poster out on it but given it's origins, I suspect it's actually got a lot of support.

 

[Vienna_70]

This gave me a proper giggle. 'Winning by cheating for so long must eventually get to even the most despicable of people' is a classic ahahaha.

I want to know who these despicable people are that we have playing for us?

John? Rúben? Phil? Erling? Rico?

All of you above seem thoroughly decent human beings, as do the rest of the members of the squad.

Or is it just a case of RAWK making stuff up to suit their narrative? Surely not?

 

[Vienna_70]

I can't explain it but I'm feeling uber confident we're going to Sick Swan them on their own turf.

Not a fucking chance.

Our record at Klanfield is appalling.

 

[Vienna_70]

These trumped up charges were layed out in February 2023, City went on to win a treble that season and a record breaking 4 in a row league titles after that. As it’s been over four decades since they last dominated English football as a fan base they don’t understand that top side such as ours which is arguably the greatest team in English football has a blip after super human achievements. There was a drop off in City when they won their only league title in 35 years, prior to that City had broke the Premier League points record and then went onto win a domestic quadruple.

There’s understandably a drop off now after achieving something their club has never achieved. Four in a row with a treble in the middle of it. I’m confident our owners will keep striving for success, compare and contrast to their owners who are only interested in what dividends they can take out of the club and how they can gaslight their supporters that winning some type of net spend award hides their lack of investment. All the while colluding with their friends at the swamp and the Premier League to bring about laughable charges and laughable illegal rules to try and stop City.

44 years between titles.

35 years between trophies.

 

[JULES]

this idiot on rawk really knows his stuff!!!!...has he actually got anything crrect ?



Especially when other clubs have co-operated with the PL in terms of Financial regulation.

Everton and Forest were both docked points for PSR breaches, and although Everton appealed and got the 10 point reduction reduced to 6, they still had to take their medicine for breaking the rules that everyone else follows.

I don't think the PL were ever likely to suspend or remove City from the league (even temporarily), although their 2-year ban from the CL (which sadly never came to fruition) was a good indicator of the level of possible punishments that might be on the table. There's also the post-2018 charges and investigation yet to be played out, which could really hammer the final nails in the coffin if the current case concludes they cheated and broke all those rules.

I'm not a legal expert, but if they are found guilty and penalised for the pre-2018 PL rule breaches, can UEFA re-visit their case? I know there were time-barred issues that meant the ban was overturned, but they were still found guilty, and only got off because a 3-man CAS panel voted against the ban (fortunately no such opportunity exists for their current case). It's not just PL clubs that've been denied titles/European places by City - there are numerous European clubs who've been unfairly denied success - whether it's progress from a group stage or losing in the final. For some of these clubs the CL money is huge, and missing out can have a massive impact on their finances.

Even if there's no recourse to their pre-2018 offences, I can see UEFA getting revenge by opening a fresh case if the PL charges stick. The original ruling by UEFA was a breach of Financial Fair Play rules, after deeming they'd falsely inflated sponsorship revenues between 2012 and 2016. They were found guilty and fined €30million, and getting off on a technicality will no doubt have pissed many people off in the European leagues. The Head of la Liga at the time hated them, and I'm sure many senior figures with plenty of influence will be watching this case closely - especially after City won the CL. They certainly won't give a shit about how the UK is affected by Mansour/Abu Dhabi if City go down. UEFA's charges were only on sponsorship deals up to 2016, so there's been another 8 years of potential fraud and rule-breaking since then - highlighted by their ridiculous commercial revenues for a club with such a small fan base and a stadium they can't even fill.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

this idiot on rawk really knows his stuff!!!!...has he actually got anything crrect ?



Especially when other clubs have co-operated with the PL in terms of Financial regulation.

Everton and Forest were both docked points for PSR breaches, and although Everton appealed and got the 10 point reduction reduced to 6, they still had to take their medicine for breaking the rules that everyone else follows.

I don't think the PL were ever likely to suspend or remove City from the league (even temporarily), although their 2-year ban from the CL (which sadly never came to fruition) was a good indicator of the level of possible punishments that might be on the table. There's also the post-2018 charges and investigation yet to be played out, which could really hammer the final nails in the coffin if the current case concludes they cheated and broke all those rules.

I'm not a legal expert, but if they are found guilty and penalised for the pre-2018 PL rule breaches, can UEFA re-visit their case? I know there were time-barred issues that meant the ban was overturned, but they were still found guilty, and only got off because a 3-man CAS panel voted against the ban (fortunately no such opportunity exists for their current case). It's not just PL clubs that've been denied titles/European places by City - there are numerous European clubs who've been unfairly denied success - whether it's progress from a group stage or losing in the final. For some of these clubs the CL money is huge, and missing out can have a massive impact on their finances.

Even if there's no recourse to their pre-2018 offences, I can see UEFA getting revenge by opening a fresh case if the PL charges stick. The original ruling by UEFA was a breach of Financial Fair Play rules, after deeming they'd falsely inflated sponsorship revenues between 2012 and 2016. They were found guilty and fined €30million, and getting off on a technicality will no doubt have pissed many people off in the European leagues. The Head of la Liga at the time hated them, and I'm sure many senior figures with plenty of influence will be watching this case closely - especially after City won the CL. They certainly won't give a shit about how the UK is affected by Mansour/Abu Dhabi if City go down. UEFA's charges were only on sponsorship deals up to 2016, so there's been another 8 years of potential fraud and rule-breaking since then - highlighted by their ridiculous commercial revenues for a club with such a small fan base and a stadium they can't even fill.

Straw grasping at its best and yet again one who hasn't just posted a throw away comment but put great effort and time into producing a lovely long bit of pure fantasy.

 

[Oldham Exile]

Straw grasping at its best and yet again one who hasn't just posted a throw away comment but put great effort and time into producing a lovely long bit of pure fantasy.

I've pointed this out a few times - there has been some real effort gone into writing that utter drivel

Only worthwhile comment was him pointing out decision not a legal expert - fucking some understatement that was

 

[Vienna_70]

this idiot on rawk really knows his stuff!!!!...has he actually got anything crrect ?



Especially when other clubs have co-operated with the PL in terms of Financial regulation.

Everton and Forest were both docked points for PSR breaches, and although Everton appealed and got the 10 point reduction reduced to 6, they still had to take their medicine for breaking the rules that everyone else follows.

I don't think the PL were ever likely to suspend or remove City from the league (even temporarily), although their 2-year ban from the CL (which sadly never came to fruition) was a good indicator of the level of possible punishments that might be on the table. There's also the post-2018 charges and investigation yet to be played out, which could really hammer the final nails in the coffin if the current case concludes they cheated and broke all those rules.

I'm not a legal expert, but if they are found guilty and penalised for the pre-2018 PL rule breaches, can UEFA re-visit their case? I know there were time-barred issues that meant the ban was overturned, but they were still found guilty, and only got off because a 3-man CAS panel voted against the ban (fortunately no such opportunity exists for their current case). It's not just PL clubs that've been denied titles/European places by City - there are numerous European clubs who've been unfairly denied success - whether it's progress from a group stage or losing in the final. For some of these clubs the CL money is huge, and missing out can have a massive impact on their finances.

Even if there's no recourse to their pre-2018 offences, I can see UEFA getting revenge by opening a fresh case if the PL charges stick. The original ruling by UEFA was a breach of Financial Fair Play rules, after deeming they'd falsely inflated sponsorship revenues between 2012 and 2016. They were found guilty and fined €30million, and getting off on a technicality will no doubt have pissed many people off in the European leagues. The Head of la Liga at the time hated them, and I'm sure many senior figures with plenty of influence will be watching this case closely - especially after City won the CL. They certainly won't give a shit about how the UK is affected by Mansour/Abu Dhabi if City go down. UEFA's charges were only on sponsorship deals up to 2016, so there's been another 8 years of potential fraud and rule-breaking since then - highlighted by their ridiculous commercial revenues for a club with such a small fan base and a stadium they can't even fill.

I think the only thing he had right is the fact that he’s not a legal expert.

No shit Sherlock?

 

[Ysabel 123]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4372230.stm

Different breed them lot!

 

[Ysabel 123]

absolute Angels, them Cheeky chappies from the other end of the East Lancs!

They threw Bananas at Anfield at their own player, after he won PFA player of the year for their club in 1990, because he was black! Let that sink in!

They are a wank stain on society, who contribute absolutely fuck all to society, yet blame us all for there shit lives!

Always the victims, its never their fault!

SCUM!