Liverpool Thread | 2025/26

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deano ou812 said:
So then they are still debatable then if your saying some go for you some don’t that’s crazy ffs ..
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Some decisions are debatable and they’re always grey areas- officials have better tools at their disposal with VAR to get correct outcome - but still will get it wrong and fuck up. Fans need to accept it.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Officials and VAR are not the problem.
It’s fans and media that constantly create a storm over debatable decisions, bloody tiring. Some go for you , some don’t. Get on with life.
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Fans and the media don’t make ludicrously wrong decisions that mostly favour the red shirt cartel clubs.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Officials and VAR are not the problem.
It’s fans and media that constantly create a storm over debatable decisions, bloody tiring. Some go for you , some don’t. Get on with life.
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VAR and how they make decisions under VAR are bloody tiring. And yeah, fans constantly complaining every time there's a decision. Fans did not constantly complain like this before VAR, what we are seeing is a result of the effect that VAR has had. You're trying to take the high road that we need to just accept the decisions that are made and move on, rather than trying to make a controversy out of everything. Ironically that is why we are so opposed to VAR. That was how football worked before VAR - we were taught to accept decisions made on the pitch and move on. VAR is the opposite of that!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Some decisions are debatable and they’re always grey areas- officials have better tools at their disposal with VAR to get correct outcome - but still will get it wrong and fuck up. Fans need to accept it.
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They didn't use the tools at their disposal to make this decision. They relied wholly on the Assistant Referee's declaration that there was clear interference based on what he claimed to have seen in real-time.

However, the video revealed that the Assistant Referee's claims were not accurate yet his view was confirmed anyway. However you slice it, this was a corrupt process Hammer. As others have said, there was no correct outcome here in that it's largely subjective whether you view that as interference. But they did not use the tools at their disposal here, and they did not follow the letter of the Laws here.

They mucked this up real good and it has caused harm all around. We're annoyed at being seen as getting preferential treatment, we're annoyed at 'pool fans crying about it, we're annoyed about how the media has covered it. All that which we are dealing with is a result of VAR and it's intrusion into the sport we all love. Most of us are sick of VAR and what it continues to do to football. The focus should be on City and the great performance, instead it is about this incident. And this will keep happening as long as VAR continues to exist and fail in the ways that it does.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
Most of us are sick of VAR and what it continues to do to football.
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I can't speak, as you do, for "most of us", but as far as I'm concerned, I'm grateful that VAR is there to, at least, keep some sort of check on the worst refereeing decisions, deliberate or not..

For example, the clear penalty on Sunday which was given by VAR but not by the ref.

Some decisions are still arguable, that's the nature of football and with the rise of fananalysis both in social and mainstream media, extreme hysterical reaction is lucrative and, therefore, omnipresent. Couple that with society educating people that they can never be wrong, that "their truth" is as valid as the reality and you get an unwillingness to accept any decision that doesn't agree with their own. To imagine that there would be less controversy without VAR is, in my opinion, fanciful.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
They didn't use the tools at their disposal to make this decision. They relied wholly on the Assistant Referee's declaration that there was clear interference based on what he claimed to have seen in real-time.

However, the video revealed that the Assistant Referee's claims were not accurate yet his view was confirmed anyway. However you slice it, this was a corrupt process Hammer. As others have said, there was no correct outcome here in that it's largely subjective whether you view that as interference. But they did not use the tools at their disposal here, and they did not follow the letter of the Laws here.

They mucked this up real good and it has caused harm all around. We're annoyed at being seen as getting preferential treatment, we're annoyed at 'pool fans crying about it, we're annoyed about how the media has covered it. All that which we are dealing with is a result of VAR and it's intrusion into the sport we all love. Most of us are sick of VAR and what it continues to do to football. The focus should be on City and the great performance, instead it is about this incident. And this will keep happening as long as VAR continues to exist and fail in the ways that it does.
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And without VAR, the press and the Beeb would be completely fair to City and give up their obsession with the redshirts. Hmmm..
 
Newman Noggs said:
I can't speak, as you do, for "most of us", but as far as I'm concerned, I'm grateful that VAR is there to, at least, keep some sort of check on the worst refereeing decisions, deliberate or not..

For example, the clear penalty on Sunday which was given by VAR but not by the ref.

Some decisions are still arguable, that's the nature of football and with the rise of fananalysis both in social and mainstream media, extreme hysterical reaction is lucrative and, therefore, omnipresent. Couple that with society educating people that they can never be wrong, that "their truth" is as valid as the reality and you get an unwillingness to accept any decision that doesn't agree with their own. To imagine that there would be less controversy without VAR is, in my opinion, fanciful.
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Agree . A lot of what we are experiencing is due to The Illusory Truth Effect . Repeat something often enough and it becomes the truth . Hello 115 , salesmanship , populism and gaslighting. Social media and 24/7 news thrives on and amplifies anything that creates eyes on the page so the lie is repeated and becomes " true " . The " truth " is more likely to take hold in partisan populations at times of heightened emotion, when critical faculties are suspended . Slot knew what he was doing at that post match interview , as did the Sky shrill who fed him the City footage . Rinse and repeat . We are living in a time of the biggest communication revolution since the invention of the printing press and it's a rocky ride . Our football world and the way it's changing is illustrative of these shifts . VAR is a lightening rod but is not the problem . And we can't turn the clock back either .
 
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