Liverpool Thread | 2025/26

  • Thread starter Thread starter Ric
  • Start date Start date
Vienna_70 said:
Also the pens inside the stand exacerbated the problem, as those coming in late didn’t spread out, but instead headed for the pens straight in front of them.
Click to expand...
I did quite a bit of digging into this tragedy and it was a tragedy as I was invited to an interview to work on the enquiry to take statements.

What was never made available was the amount of clicks on the turnstiles. The narrative has always been the cops opened the main gate, didn't cordon off the middle pen and everyone had a ticket but, from my extensive research for the position I was applying for there is no record of how many went into that stand.

What wasn't surprising is that again from memory that all who died had tickets as they'd generally get in early but, again trying to find figures isn't easy.
 
Dannyblue52 said:
Maybe I missed it but I don't remember any police officers on the terraces pushing fans downwards towards the fences. The police actually didn't kill anyone. The Liverpool fans crushed their own fans to death. The police contributed by their poor management of the situation and covered that up and should be held responsible for that. What's not been highlighted is the FA made clubs erect fences to stop pitch invasions. That prevented fans getting on the pitch when they were being pushed against the fence. They are as guilty as anyone but nothing said. This action alone led to an increase in deaths and injuries. Also who gave the ground a safety certificate when a risk assessment should have identified that it was a high risk like blocking a means of escape. Bradford fire says hello.
I really feel for the bereaved families but just to keep blaming the police hides the responsibility of others.
Click to expand...

It was a complex scenario and you need to take into account was football still was back then. Our clubs were still banned from Europe due to multiple instances of crowd trouble (plus obviously one very high profile one by Liverpool), fences had become normal. Criticising the FA for the fences is harsh, as they were just responding to what went on on the terraces, and sometimes spilled into the pitch. That said, when you throw in event mismanagement, they became the problem.

I have no absolute hatred of Liverpool and they were clearly wronged and suffered. That they had to fight for the truth is horrendous and they should be proud of their persistence. However, in my eyes the report has always seemed to just have been "tell them want they want to hear so they'll go away".

Every high profile match back then saw fans sneaking in without tickets, doubling-up through turnstiles. If the Liverpool fans didn't do that in this game, it'll have been the only big game around then when they didnt.

The thing to remember though above all, was that they weren't different in doing that. That was how it was back then. There were numerous other close shaves at other games, it could have been any of us.
 
Last edited:
As a fan base you would think they have learnt. But we saw in Paris that the fan base hasnt.
The scousers clearly dont care about genuine match going fans, at Paris fake tickets, climbing over fences, bragging on social media about jibbing in.
This fan base and club ( club wanted paper tickets ) havent learnt anything after Hillsborough.
Yet the fans walk around with club merchandise with 97 on them. Club wants paper tickets so its easy for the dippers to fake.

I feel so sorry for the those that died, decent fans with tickets. As a club and fan base they have done nothing to it perhaps happening again.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
I did quite a bit of digging into this tragedy and it was a tragedy as I was invited to an interview to work on the enquiry to take statements.

What was never made available was the amount of clicks on the turnstiles. The narrative has always been the cops opened the main gate, didn't cordon off the middle pen and everyone had a ticket but, from my extensive research for the position I was applying for there is no record of how many went into that stand.

What wasn't surprising is that again from memory that all who died had tickets as they'd generally get in early but, again trying to find figures isn't easy.
Click to expand...
What is rarely seen is the shocking video footage of Liverpool fans breaching the turnstiles and literally sprinting into the stand and pens in front of them, piling into fans causing the intense crush.
There were many reasons that led to the tragedy but the disgraceful behaviour of some fans shouldn’t negate their culpability.
 
mattcity5 said:
It was a complex scenario and you need to take into account was football still was back then. Our clubs were still banned from Europe due to multiple instances of crowd trouble (plus obviously one very high profile one by Liverpool), fences had become normal. Criticising the FA for the fences is harsh, as they were just responding to what went on on the terraces, and sometimes spilled into the pitch. That said, when you throw in event mismanagement, they became the problem.

I have no absolute hatred of Liverpool and they were clearly wronged and suffered. That they had to fight for the truth is horrendous and they should be proud of their persistence. However, in my eyes the report has always seemed to just have been "tell them want they want to hear so they'll go away".

Every high profile match back then saw fans sneaking in without tickets, doubling-up through turnstiles. If the Liverpool fans didn't do that in this game, it'll have been the only big game around then when they didnt.

The thing to remember though above all, was that they weren't different in doing that. That was how it was back then. There were numerous other close shaves at other games, it could have been any of us.
Click to expand...
But it wasn't.
 
mattcity5 said:
It was a complex scenario and you need to take into account was football still was back then. Our clubs were still banned from Europe due to multiple instances of crowd trouble (plus obviously one very high profile one by Liverpool), fences had become normal. Criticising the FA for the fences is harsh, as they were just responding to what went on on the terraces, and sometimes spilled into the pitch. That said, when you throw in event mismanagement, they became the problem.

I have no absolute hatred of Liverpool and they were clearly wronged and suffered. That they had to fight for the truth is horrendous and they should be proud of their persistence. However, in my eyes the report has always seemed to just have been "tell them want they want to hear so they'll go away".

Every high profile match back then saw fans sneaking in without tickets, doubling-up through turnstiles. If the Liverpool fans didn't do that in this game, it'll have been the only big game around then when they didnt.

The thing to remember though above all, was that they weren't different in doing that. That was how it was back then. There were numerous other close shaves at other games, it could have been any of us.
Click to expand...
Could have been like that at notts county on that bank holiday when we needed win for promotion. Packed in like sardines and I don’t know anyone who didn’t jib in.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Shame Brian Clough couldn't testify.
Click to expand...
What makes you say that?

Was Clough outside the Leppings Lane prior to kick off or was he in the Forest dressing room giving a team talk?

Was he in the police control box for the first 6 minutes of the match or was he on the touchline managing his players?

Was he on the pitch carrying advertising boards in the aftermath or was he back in the dressing room?

Was he in the local community hall when one of the victims was wrongly announced dead when he was in fact alive or was he on a coach back to Nottingham?

Clough wrote about that day in his autobiography and spoke on a chat show about it. Much as I love the character he was, it always struck me as out of order that he felt the need to be critical of Liverpool fans over Hillsborough.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top