Liz Truss

There's something in the book of revelations about that I think.
Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.

Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.

She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.
 
BP and Shell have paid zero corporation tax for the last three years.

LONDON – BP paid $127.3 million in taxes and fees to the British government in 2021 for its oil and gas production in the North Sea, according to a company report.

They did pay little for the previous 3 years though. Write offs against decommissioning costs plus the very low oil price during the pandemic. I think the Guardian article you are referencing uses the usual selective figures - just like when they are reporting about us.

 
LONDON – BP paid $127.3 million in taxes and fees to the British government in 2021 for its oil and gas production in the North Sea, according to a company report.

They did pay little for the previous 3 years though. Write offs against decommissioning costs plus the very low oil price during the pandemic. I think the Guardian article you are referencing uses the usual selective figures - just like when they are reporting about us.


They got 180m back though.
 
They got 180m back though.

I worked for them. Take a look at transfer pricing in a vertically integrated oil company if you want a laugh. Effectively, most profits can be claimed where there is low taxation or where they can be offset against things like decommissioning. TBF to the company, tax is only payable on profits for anybody, so decommissioning is a genuine business expense.
 
Just to be clear, I regret my earlier post and should not have concluded with that point. ‘Othering’ people, reducing them to the status of an ‘out group’ never goes well. It’s a step in the way to making it acceptable to use violence against them. So I went too far.

Still think what Truss’s approach illustrates is what a lot of people these days implicitly recognise, that we all now exist to serve the needs of the market rather than the other way around.

So if a country tries to regulate the private sector or to increase taxation to pay for, say, health and welfare services, they run the risk of the currency traders, stock and bond traders, and those who make investment decisions for multinational companies heading off in a different direction, taking with them the investment capital that countries covet.
When capital is internationally mobile, raising taxes to pay for public services therefore runs the risk of triggering capital flight to places with comparable investment prospects but lower taxation.

What bothers me is how this situation has been allowed to develop in such a way to begin with. Am not in favour of abolishing markets, only attempting to restrain them, as there is some evidence that capitalism has actually reduced poverty in some of the very poorest countries (though not the situation of the poorest of the poor). But maybe that is no longer possible.

This is something that the economist Joseph Schumpeter appears to have foreseen in the sense that he recognised that off-the-leash capitalism does not work to maintain the cohesion of society. Left to its own devices, it is corrosive of that cohesion because of the inequalities that it generates. That is why he thought that capitalism needs restraining. Government intervention is required to balance the dynamism of capitalism with social stability. The same is true of global markets at the present time.
Much of this is unarguable, the need to restrain those aspects of capitalism that produce unfairness is self evident. You should, however, give capitaliism greater credit for the alleviation of poverty than “some evidence”. The evidence is overwhelming, the latest example being China where 300m people have been lifted out of relative poverty and a similar number out of actual poverty by the adoption of state capitalism.
 
Given that you got the poster wrong you should edit the original. Also the poster you meant to have a go at actually provided detailed reasoning for his opinion so you look a bit daft. Might be best just deleting the post altogether.
He admitted that I was right to castigate him. Who looks daft now?!
 
No it was false I.d. on my part which I have noted on the texts and apologised for. But the person I should have criticised has posted a retraction, admitting it was wrong to call someone by that rude epithet. So my substantive point stands.
I think you are point scoring.
I make it 30-15, but I’m not sure who’s serving.
 

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