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Think tomorrows local elections is worth its own thread as, even though nobody has really cared for them in the past, this one is drawing huge coverage.

Will it be local issues such as social services, or will it become national issues like small boats that wins through?

All will be revealed.
 
Think tomorrows local elections is worth its own thread as, even though nobody has really cared for them in the past, this one is drawing huge coverage.

Will it be local issues such as social services, or will it become national issues like small boats that wins through?

All will be revealed.
I very much look forward to the Middlesbrough council stopping the small boats crossing the Channel…
 
Think tomorrows local elections is worth its own thread as, even though nobody has really cared for them in the past, this one is drawing huge coverage.

Will it be local issues such as social services, or will it become national issues like small boats that wins through?

All will be revealed.
I can only see it listed on bbc. Surely there has to be some alternative to a night with Laura?
 
I very much look forward to the Middlesbrough council stopping the small boats crossing the Channel…
Well, that’s not their remit but I’m sure DOGE and ICE will fund your crossing bill, once they have sorted your social service issues out.

Local and national issues are uniquely different but will be interesting to see how the results conflate the issues.

We will see.
 
Think tomorrows local elections is worth its own thread as, even though nobody has really cared for them in the past, this one is drawing huge coverage.

Will it be local issues such as social services, or will it become national issues like small boats that wins through?

All will be revealed.
The County Council elections were last year so not all Councils having elections tomorrow are social care authorities, and I am unaware of different parties stances on social care issues.
 
Unfortunately no elections where I live. I'd love to have the opportunity to vote out the Labour scum that have left my town with £1.8 billion of debt and a recent 10% increase in council tax.
 
What ever the outcome it will be protest voting! And when it’s the general election it be back to the two main governments I’d expect. A week is long in politics so what do we think 2/3 years will be?
 
What ever the outcome it will be protest voting! And when it’s the general election it be back to the two main governments I’d expect. A week is long in politics so what do we think 2/3 years will be?
I'm not sure. If you're that confident you can make well over 100% profit of your stake on either the Tories or Labour winning the next Election. To put that into perspective you'd of only made just under 1% of profit on either of the Two parties winning any past election.

Simply mind blowing the change which is happening in our political landscape.
 
Think tomorrows local elections is worth its own thread as, even though nobody has really cared for them in the past, this one is drawing huge coverage.

Will it be local issues such as social services, or will it become national issues like small boats that wins through?

All will be revealed.
Or will it be international issues that wins through?
 
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Think tomorrows local elections is worth its own thread as, even though nobody has really cared for them in the past, this one is drawing huge coverage.

Will it be local issues such as social services, or will it become national issues like small boats that wins through?

All will be revealed.

I think the trend of conflating local and national politics has been going on for quite a while now and is really quite dysfunctional. The number of people voting for 'policies' that are nowhere near the remit of local government is deeply unhelpful. Decent separation of local and central government is healthy imo but that has, in various ways and for various reasons, collapsed in on itself.

That said I think there is good reason for the national coverage, because these elections will play a significant part in our broader national politics...

Spoke to a couple of officers at Birmingham City Council this week who think Reform, Greens and a significant number of (mainly Muslim) Independents are going to make huge gains from Labour, which was simply unthinkable a few years ago.

I think everyone, including the Labour party itself, are taking it as a given that this is going to be an absolute bloodbath for Labour. The interesting question then is how do Labour as our governing party respond ?

At this point it seems unlikely, barring a miraculous turnaround or suicidal obstinacy, that Starmer can survive to the next election so quite possibly we'll once again be in the position of the incumbent party choosing a new PM for us, with the potential for policy shift that that implies. It strikes me that (assuming that if nothing else they've at least worked out that trying to outreform reform doesn't work) Labour can go one of two ways:

1. Continue down their current 'grown-ups' model of incremental technical change whilst offering a political narrative of vague, sometimes changing, goals designed to minimise the target on their backs, whilst at the same time indulging in some very un-grown up trashing of the two populist parties in the hope they frighten enough people back to the fold. The issue with this model is twofold to me (a) it lacks an easily understandable positive political identity which in our crappy short-form world is deadly (b) you can't win by actually 'competencing' your way out of our current malaise anyway, because the maths doesn't work, you can only really make the rate of decline slower.

2. Undertake a reset that really addresses the parties identity both in terms of who it represents and how it goes about that (Lucy Powell all but admitted they had lost their way on this whilst canvassing in Leeds recently). This would probably need to involve a rapprochement with the other more progressive parties.

I think pursing the first option will very likely lead to a Reform/Conservation coalition government at the next GE, which I think will end in the kind of chaos that makes our current situation look good.

The second option is difficult, because it probably involves being more honest with the British people about where we are than is politically 'sensible' and risks the valid accusation of why didn't you admit any of this before* (simple answer - because we wouldn't have got in 'cause people don't want to hear the truth). Who wants to hear that decades of under/misdirected investment in the UK along with some very poor strategic decisions have screwed us over and there is no easy answer and it's going to be a long hard road to get out of the mess we're in? It might be difficult to undertake the pivot but it might be the only way Labour can save itself and the country from slipping into further irrelevance.

So I think the battle for the soul of the Labour party that is about to commence is actually a battle for the soul of the country because the Reform/Conservative coalition that may come to pass will I think take us down a poundshop Trumpian route that would all but destroy the Britain that we have known since the war. Tbh I don't think Labour is in any way capable of turning things round on it's own, the best it can achieve is to create an alternative coalition that takes Britain in a better direction.

The battle lines have already been drawn, I see Luke Akehurst has already waded into Andy Burnham for agreeing to share a platform at an upcoming event with both the Greens and the Lib Dems. What happens next within Labour in the following months/years to the GE, will have a profound effect on the country for a minimum of a decade which is why I think if not the elections themselves but certainly the aftermath is being viewed as so important.
 
I think the trend of conflating local and national politics has been going on for quite a while now and is really quite dysfunctional. The number of people voting for 'policies' that are nowhere near the remit of local government is deeply unhelpful. Decent separation of local and central government is healthy imo but that has, in various ways and for various reasons, collapsed in on itself.

That said I think there is good reason for the national coverage, because these elections will play a significant part in our broader national politics...



I think everyone, including the Labour party itself, are taking it as a given that this is going to be an absolute bloodbath for Labour. The interesting question then is how do Labour as our governing party respond ?

At this point it seems unlikely, barring a miraculous turnaround or suicidal obstinacy, that Starmer can survive to the next election so quite possibly we'll once again be in the position of the incumbent party choosing a new PM for us, with the potential for policy shift that that implies. It strikes me that (assuming that if nothing else they've at least worked out that trying to outreform reform doesn't work) Labour can go one of two ways:

1. Continue down their current 'grown-ups' model of incremental technical change whilst offering a political narrative of vague, sometimes changing, goals designed to minimise the target on their backs, whilst at the same time indulging in some very un-grown up trashing of the two populist parties in the hope they frighten enough people back to the fold. The issue with this model is twofold to me (a) it lacks an easily understandable positive political identity which in our crappy short-form world is deadly (b) you can't win by actually 'competencing' your way out of our current malaise anyway, because the maths doesn't work, you can only really make the rate of decline slower.

2. Undertake a reset that really addresses the parties identity both in terms of who it represents and how it goes about that (Lucy Powell all but admitted they had lost their way on this whilst canvassing in Leeds recently). This would probably need to involve a rapprochement with the other more progressive parties.

I think pursing the first option will very likely lead to a Reform/Conservation coalition government at the next GE, which I think will end in the kind of chaos that makes our current situation look good.

The second option is difficult, because it probably involves being more honest with the British people about where we are than is politically 'sensible' and risks the valid accusation of why didn't you admit any of this before* (simple answer - because we wouldn't have got in 'cause people don't want to hear the truth). Who wants to hear that decades of under/misdirected investment in the UK along with some very poor strategic decisions have screwed us over and there is no easy answer and it's going to be a long hard road to get out of the mess we're in? It might be difficult to undertake the pivot but it might be the only way Labour can save itself and the country from slipping into further irrelevance.

So I think the battle for the soul of the Labour party that is about to commence is actually a battle for the soul of the country because the Reform/Conservative coalition that may come to pass will I think take us down a poundshop Trumpian route that would all but destroy the Britain that we have known since the war. Tbh I don't think Labour is in any way capable of turning things round on it's own, the best it can achieve is to create an alternative coalition that takes Britain in a better direction.

The battle lines have already been drawn, I see Luke Akehurst has already waded into Andy Burnham for agreeing to share a platform at an upcoming event with both the Greens and the Lib Dems. What happens next within Labour in the following months and years will have a profound effect on the country for at least a decade which is why I think if not the elections themselves but certainly the aftermath is being viewed as so important.

These local elections are a punishment election for Labour’s sins, both real and imaginary. Your second option is unlikely to happen. The public do not want honest debates about where we are or our future direction. The public wants the easy route and will vote for whoever promises the easy route especially if these promises pander to prejudice.

Labour pivoting before the next election is very likely. The hostility to Labour is really hostility to Starmer, so their best bet is to wait another year and then remove the focus of that hostility. In the meantime the Govt needs to steer though the current Trump created chaos in the Middle East and the possible end game of the Russian/Ukraine war as well as moving closer, or into to, the EU economic/defence orbit.

It’s going to be a difficult year of unstable geopolitics and Labour might as well keep Starmer at the helm as the lightening rod for the public’s dissatisfaction for at least twelve months.
 

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