Lucy Letby infant murders trial

[Iassel]

Which combination of those would ever lead you to kill multiple babies? Im not getting it.

All of the above, with #4 likely being the trigger.

From what we know so far, she was a long term, well qualified nurse who had been promoted up to the role she had and so far the killings all happened in a very short period around which she was having some sort of flirtation with the on-call senior doctor.

Now of course, plenty of people have crushes in colleagues and don’t go on to kill anyone to get their attention, but the overwhelming majority of people won’t have a personality disorder such as hers, so most likely it was a deadly combo of the 4.

Now if the police subsequently find out that she has killed many many more and from far earlier then of course all bets are off as to the cause.

As said though, in this case a deep and prolonged psychiatric evaluation/study should be in her immediate future.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Let them rot in their own misery, her and all those enablers who chose money over murder.

 

[goalmole]

If you reported that someone was killing babies at work and you were sure of it would you allow your boss to fob you off?

A lot of covering backs going on here.

The horror of what the babies and families are going through must be unfathomable.

They had their suspicions and concerns and they voiced and reported them consistently and on many occasions. Not sure they had concrete proof and evidence they could give to the police and say conclusively that she was responsible. Those reports should have been investigated by the higher ups, they weren't. It's those higher ups that should be investigated and punished. With prison sentences if they are deserved.

 

[Saddleworth2]

It is almost inconceivable that this young woman, on the face of it totally normal in personality and behaviours has carried out these terrible crimes. From what I have read neither her friends or her family saw anything wrong.
Clearly though from quite early she left a string of evidence which was picked up on by medical colleagues but dismissed by management to the extent that letters of apology were written to the perpetrator.

It really makes you question what it is to be human. How can someone who shows no signs of mental illness carry out such appalling murders? But then surely someone that carries out such appalling murders must be mentally ill? That is unless you believe in the concept of pure evil. The police have been unable to identify any motive and she has denied any of the crimes throughout the trial.

All of that must make it even more unbearable for the poor parents who's babies were killed and injured. The fact that there is no answer to the question 'why?' must make their pain even worse. I hope that time will give them some peace and that they feel that justice has been served when this woman is sentenced and the inevitable enquiry reaches its conclusions.

On the face of it, clinical opinion has been dismissed when it shouldn't have been. The duty of care has been significantly compromised by prioritising protection of the Health Trust over everything else. Lessons need to be learned and changes made and Senior Management brought to account where that is warranted for sure but lets hope this is not used as another political baseball bat to beat the living daylights out of an already underfunded and demoralised NHS.

 

[Mr Banks Is In The Kippax]

No I am not.
Are you

The families of the dead children, and those that were attacked yet survived, are victims

 

[mosssideblue]

I shudder to think what her parents are feeling, I feel sorry for them

 

[give it to gordon]

They had their suspicions and concerns and they voiced and reported them consistently and on many occasions. Not sure they had concrete proof and evidence they could give to the police and say conclusively that she was responsible. Those reports should have been investigated by the higher ups, they weren't. It's those higher ups that should be investigated and punished. With prison sentences if they are deserved.

It was investigated higher up and they made the doctors apologise to her.

These people need to be brought to justice, what investigation did they carry out ? How could they not find anything when the doctors were raising concerns ?

Does it need police charges against these people who didnt believe the doctors. Something really smells about the higher management

 

[mancityvstoke]

They didn't. It was actually picked up asthe workers on the ground had a feeling as to what was going on. It was the suits at the top who refused to listen to the staff. Stop regurgitating Sun/Mail headlines.

gobby **** - they missed her no matter what you spout from your keyboard.

If you took the trouble to read other posts before wading in all tough like you'd also see that I have quoted the managers who fucked up.


By the way I don't read either The Sun or The Mail......nob

 

[Manchester_lalala]

At what point in her lifetime did she become evil? Are people born like this or is it because of certain incidents they’ve seen while growing up? Absolutely baffles me that anyone could harm another individual with the intent of killing them for no reason, especially when it’s very poorly newborns.

I don’t believe in the death penalty as it’s the easy way out, but there has to be a bigger punishment than life in prison. Torture chamber sounds about right for the evil scum.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I shudder to think what her parents are feeling, I feel sorry for them

They are the bottom of the victim pile by some distance but I was only saying the same to my Mrs last night. Even a new phone number wouldn't help, their details would be shared very very quickly......people who were once friends, no longer......and all because of the animal they spawned.

 

[hammocity]

34 years ago I lost my opportunity to become a Dad when Ashton Hospital botched an operation to deliver our dead baby. I won’t go into specifics but as a 64 year old it still haunts me til this day especially in April which is when our baby was due.

To have a child and then have it murdered is another level, I don’t wish death on many but this monster is deserved of losing her life by whatever means, truly one of the most shocking stories I’ve read.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

At what point in her lifetime did she become evil? Are people born like this or is it because of certain incidents they’ve seen while growing up? Absolutely baffles me that anyone could harm another individual with the intent of killing them. Especially when it’s very poorly newborns.

I don’t believe in the death penalty as it’s the easy way out, but there has to be a bigger punishment than life in prison. Torture chamber sounds about right for the evil scum.

Nature vs nurture is an age old debate. If we knew what caused or triggered people to be evil, it’d be stopped immediately. (Although thought crimes is a bit Minority Report)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Out of billions of people you are simply going to get the odd evil f*cker.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

34 years ago I lost my opportunity to become a Dad when Ashton Hospital botched an operation to deliver our dead baby. I won’t go into specifics but as a 64 year old it still haunts me til this day especially in April which is when our baby was due.

To have a child and then have it murdered is another level, I don’t wish death on many but this monster is deserved of losing her life by whatever means, truly one of the most shocking stories I’ve read.

Know many people at various stages of the IVF process and this is what has bugged me most. Everything that goes into IVF, sometimes years of pain, sometimes for no result. I am intimately familiar with the process. To endure all of that and then encounter someone like this......I'd have to kill her or pay someone inside

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Nature vs nurture is an age old debate. If we knew what caused or triggered people to be evil, it’d be stopped immediately. (Although thought crimes is a bit Minority Report)

I don't think it's even worth trying to get your head around stuff like this. I always take comfort in my inability to understand or empathise with paedos/ serial killers etc.

 

[mancityvstoke]

The people in charge are long gone I believe

good....but perhaps they are accountable for criminal charges as well as losing their jobs. If not they should be .........negligent behaviour beyond belief.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don't think it's even worth trying to get your head around stuff like this. I always take comfort in my inability to understand or empathise with paedos/ serial killers etc.

100%. It‘s also hard to be critical of her immediate work colleagues as they flagged up irregularities, but they’d find it hard to fathom that one of the colleagues would be murdering babies.

 

[mosssideblue]

They are the bottom of the victim pile by some distance but I was only saying the same to my Mrs last night. Even a new phone number wouldn't help, their details would be shared very very quickly......people who were once friends, no longer......and all because of the animal they spawned.

Unfortumately, their lives will be hell from now on. They don't deserve to be treated badly, but suspect they sadly will

 

[metalblue]

All of the above, with #4 likely being the trigger.

From what we know so far, she was a long term, well qualified nurse who had been promoted up to the role she had and so far the killings all happened in a very short period around which she was having some sort of flirtation with the on-call senior doctor.

Now of course, plenty of people have crushes in colleagues and don’t go on to kill anyone to get their attention, but the overwhelming majority of people won’t have a personality disorder such as hers, so most likely it was a deadly combo of the 4.

Now if the police subsequently find out that she has killed many many more and from far earlier then of course all bets are off as to the cause.

As said though, in this case a deep and prolonged psychiatric evaluation/study should be in her immediate future.

She wasn’t a long term well qualified nurse. She was killing babies 4 years after qualifying and giving the frequency of these deaths I doubt many of would be surprised if there are a few more charges laid at her door between her qualifying and 2015.

She clearly not right in the head, no one who kills babies is, but if she wanted to play that card she should have pleaded guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility. But she didn’t and surely if there was a trigger event her defence would have got it out.

What a waste of a life not lived for these babies.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

100%. It‘s also hard to be critical of her immediate work colleagues as they flagged up irregularities, but they’d find it hard to fathom that one of the colleagues would be murdering babies.

Yes, I think most of us assume our colleagues are not serial killers.