Lucy Letby infant murders trial

paulchapo said:
I mentioned human rights because that is what I believe was the criteria used to allow them not to appear in court for sentencing.

Of course it's about the criminals rights being given priority over the victims and their families rights. By committing the crime and being found guilty of it then I'm sorry but they lose the right to start dictating what they will and won't do.

Yes I did say they should be ordered to attend. They have the choice to do that willingly and behave during the proceedings. If they refuse then I have no qualms about them being restrained and if they shout obscenities gagged. Again, my Hannibal Lecture comment was tongue in cheek. If they behave there is no theatre or drama is there? They have the choice which is more than they gave their victim/s.
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Why do you think that someone who has never expressed remorse or even shown emotion for anyone other than herself during the trial would just sit and behave after being dragged to court?

There's no penalty that could possibly dissuade her from disrupting proceedings, she's already going to spend the rest of her life inside prison.

So there would be theatre and drama from criminals being unruly or being bound and gagged, unless you build soundproof docks with one way audio.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Why do you think that someone who has never expressed remorse or even shown emotion for anyone other than herself during the trial would just sit and behave after being dragged to court?

There's no penalty that could possibly dissuade her from disrupting proceedings, she's already going to spend the rest of her life inside prison.

So there would be theatre and drama from criminals being unruly or being bound and gagged, unless you build soundproof docks with one way audio.
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I'm comfortable with that. It just shows them up for the scumbags and cowards they are.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Nobody mentioned human rights until you did.

It's not about having too much care for criminals.I don't care that a multiple murderer might feel some discomfort or anxiety from listening to sentencing, this isn't about that.

The point remains that you can't compel murders with no prospect of parole to go there.

So you have to physically force them there, as you admit in your post. You betrayed the point it's about theatre with your reference to Hannibal Lecktor.

What's to stop her screaming and shouting and wailing to disrupt proceedings? unless you gag her.

Man bound, gagged, forced to wear helmet during sentencing

A Dougherty County man convicted of aggravated assault on a police officer last month was sentenced Monday.
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Just gag her then.
It’s not for our benefit or the judge’s benefit.
The only important thing is if it helps the victims families in any way, and I suspect if they were asked they would be almost unanimous.
 
west didsblue said:
Just gag her then.
It’s not for our benefit or the judge’s benefit.
The only important thing is if it helps the victims families in any way, and I suspect if they were asked they would be almost unanimous.
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Do like in hannibal strap the **** to a trolly put a mask on them and wheel them into court
 
west didsblue said:
That would turn it into theatre. I’m sure there would be a better way of doing it that wouldn’t turn it into a circus.
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I know one thing.
How ever it happens these things.
I won't call them people shouldn't have a choice to go to the dock to be sentenced or not

It's not a choice your going to do it
 
west didsblue said:
Just gag her then.
It’s not for our benefit or the judge’s benefit.
The only important thing is if it helps the victims families in any way, and I suspect if they were asked they would be almost unanimous.
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It’s never been compulsory for the defendant to be there to hear sentencing. People only make it a thing in horrific cases.
She‘s going to be in prison until she dies, whether she’s there or not.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s never been compulsory for the defendant to be there to hear sentencing. People only make it a thing in horrific cases.
She‘s going to be in prison until she dies, whether she’s there or not.
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I know that and I know it doesn’t change things for her but if it helps the families of the victims even slightly then why not?
 
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