Man U Ref watch - how many points will they gain?

[fatbloke]

I guarantee you this

After Fergie-scum's pathetic outburst on Saturday moaning that they should have played till f@cking midnight. The next time the rags go into stoppage time losing by the odd goal, there will be a very generous amount of time added on

And that then odd-gal could turn into a 2 goal loss, or indeed it could turn into a draw. Who knows? Unless i've missed something in the rules it doesn't say 'X minutes added time and United are allowed 2 keepers and the opposition have concrete poured in their boots', it merely says 'X amount of added time', where believe it or not both teams could score.

Great philosophy but when was the last time you saw a team winning by 1 goal attacking United in injury time? Defending is far easier than attacking which is why so many teams "park the bus" against the top teams, so unless you've got a comfortable lead (2 or more goals) then no one will ever take that risk. Great understanding of the game though mate.

 

[Pigeonho]

I guarantee you this

After Fergie-scum's pathetic outburst on Saturday moaning that they should have played till f@cking midnight. The next time the rags go into stoppage time losing by the odd goal, there will be a very generous amount of time added on

And that then odd-gal could turn into a 2 goal loss, or indeed it could turn into a draw. Who knows? Unless i've missed something in the rules it doesn't say 'X minutes added time and United are allowed 2 keepers and the opposition have concrete poured in their boots', it merely says 'X amount of added time', where believe it or not both teams could score.

Great philosophy but when was the last time you saw a team winning by 1 goal attacking United in injury time? Defending is far easier than attacking which is why so many teams "park the bus" against the top teams, so unless you've got a comfortable lead (2 or more goals) then no one will ever take that risk. Great understanding of the game though mate.

No need to patronise.

The fact is if there are 1, 5 or 55 minutes added to a game, both teams have the same opportunity to win like they have had the rest of the match.

 

[fatbloke]

And that then odd-gal could turn into a 2 goal loss, or indeed it could turn into a draw. Who knows? Unless i've missed something in the rules it doesn't say 'X minutes added time and United are allowed 2 keepers and the opposition have concrete poured in their boots', it merely says 'X amount of added time', where believe it or not both teams could score.

Great philosophy but when was the last time you saw a team winning by 1 goal attacking United in injury time? Defending is far easier than attacking which is why so many teams "park the bus" against the top teams, so unless you've got a comfortable lead (2 or more goals) then no one will ever take that risk. Great understanding of the game though mate.

No need to patronise.

The fact is if there are 1, 5 or 55 minutes added to a game, both teams have the same opportunity to win like they have had the rest of the match.

The league is 9/10 won by points (us being the exception last year thankfully) so why would any team who are winning by a single goal risk dropping 2 points by just to boost their goal difference? You would have to be supremely confident you're the better team to take that gamble because human nature is generally to protect what you have first and foremost.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Great philosophy but when was the last time you saw a team winning by 1 goal attacking United in injury time? Defending is far easier than attacking which is why so many teams "park the bus" against the top teams, so unless you've got a comfortable lead (2 or more goals) then no one will ever take that risk. Great understanding of the game though mate.

No need to patronise.

The fact is if there are 1, 5 or 55 minutes added to a game, both teams have the same opportunity to win like they have had the rest of the match.

The league is 9/10 won by points (us being the exception last year thankfully) so why would any team who are winning by a single goal risk dropping 2 points by just to boost their goal difference? You would have to be supremely confident you're the better team to take that gamble because human nature is generally to protect what you have first and foremost.

Like you'd imagine Sunderland would have been delighted to withstand the barrage from City last season at the SOL and hold on for a draw, only for them to pop up with a stoppage time winner?

It happens. Either team can win in stoppage time, not just the favourites. If they really wanted to give a favoured team a benefit, give them another 'dubious' penalty in normal time so it's not going down to 'pure chance' when the 4th official announces how much stoppage time there is.

What will the main people behind this organisation, who are trying to get their 'cash cow' the title, say to the officials (who I'm guessing may be being paid for their part in this) when all they can say is "Well, I gave them an extra 2 mins stoppage time and I thought that would be enough, sorry for not awarding a penalty instead for a blatant foul which, clearly, would have been the 'safer' option"

 

[fatbloke]

Yeah it does happen but how often? Not very.

Sunderland strolled forward with no purpose other than to run down the clock but we left ourselves wide open at the back, they still had 8 men behind the ball and to be honest risking losing a point to gain 3 is a different scenario psychologically. When you're winning already you have nothing to gain and more to lose.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Yeah it does happen but how often? Not very.

Sunderland strolled forward with no purpose other than to run down the clock but we left ourselves wide open at the back, they still had 8 men behind the ball and to be honest risking losing a point to gain 3 is a different scenario psychologically. When you're winning already you have nothing to gain and more to lose.

Maybe it is different psycologically, but as you say, the attacking team will leave themselves wide open so any team is more than capable of scoring on the counter, just as Sunderland did to you despite their probable intentional, initially, to run the clock down.

As I said earlier, if it really was as bent as people are saying, the referees wouldn't leave it to chance in stoppage time would they, they'd ensure something was sorted earlier on, and in this case, the Nani penalty that was never given would have been the perfect opportunity. An opportunity to give United a great chance to equalise, in normal time, without the furore in the press because it would have been the correct call anyway.

 

[Pigeonho]

Yeah it does happen but how often? Not very.

Sunderland strolled forward with no purpose other than to run down the clock but we left ourselves wide open at the back, they still had 8 men behind the ball and to be honest risking losing a point to gain 3 is a different scenario psychologically. When you're winning already you have nothing to gain and more to lose.

That's all fine and understandable, but as long as there is time on the clock, both teams have the same chance of scoring, so to say added time is only added to make sure United win is wrong, because the opposition could just as easily, (figure of speech), go and score too as the time is there for both teams, not just one.

 

[fatbloke]

Yeah it does happen but how often? Not very.

Sunderland strolled forward with no purpose other than to run down the clock but we left ourselves wide open at the back, they still had 8 men behind the ball and to be honest risking losing a point to gain 3 is a different scenario psychologically. When you're winning already you have nothing to gain and more to lose.

Maybe it is different psycologically, but as you say, the attacking team will leave themselves wide open so any team is more than capable of scoring on the counter, just as Sunderland did to you despite their probable intentional, initially, to run the clock down.

As I said earlier, if it really was as bent as people are saying, the referees wouldn't leave it to chance in stoppage time would they, they'd ensure something was sorted earlier on, and in this case, the Nani penalty that was never given would have been the perfect opportunity. An opportunity to give United a great chance to equalise, in normal time, without the furore in the press because it would have been the correct call anyway.

Yeah they are but if you're already winning what is their to gain from scoring on the counter? Nothing that you'll risk potentially losing 2 points for I imagine.

Look how many incorrect penalties United get to score the opening goal from (usually for a dive in the first 10 minutes) or soft penalties that get them back in the game (two against Chelsea last year in one game) or put them in front (Valencia's against Liverpool) or stone wall ones that aren't given which would potentially lose them points (Fulham at The Swamp last season)... Yes the Nani one was the perfect opportunity but as you have said in the past referee's do make genuine mistakes too so he may not have seen it. One thing that can't be argued is the amount of "potential game changing" incorrect decisions that go in their favour, it far outweighs the one or two decisions a season that go against them and it's not just one season. You can manipulate stats and try and convince yourself that it's just coincidence or just bad refereeing and that football is whiter than white but I think the majority of people who are genuinely open minded have some doubt and rightly so after what we've seen in other countries.

 

[fatbloke]

Yeah it does happen but how often? Not very.

Sunderland strolled forward with no purpose other than to run down the clock but we left ourselves wide open at the back, they still had 8 men behind the ball and to be honest risking losing a point to gain 3 is a different scenario psychologically. When you're winning already you have nothing to gain and more to lose.

That's all fine and understandable, but as long as there is time on the clock, both teams have the same chance of scoring, so to say added time is only added to make sure United win is wrong, because the opposition could just as easily, (figure of speech), go and score too as the time is there for both teams, not just one.

Why would a winning team need to score again? They've got nothing to gain.

 

[SWP's back]

Agenda thread full of unagendarists. Fuck me, and they thought i was paranoid!

Why do you try so hard boys, it's not your bag remember?

Anti-agenda, I think they are just so scared of being turned. Didn't Newcastle get a penalty once?

I just thought it might be worth a try attempting to persuade the deluded and paranoid that the voices are only in their heads.
Clearly you are all too far gone to help,and even resent us for bringing common sense to the party.
I shall leave you to your bonkers deliberations and insane conclusions,and return only when I need cheering up with a good laugh at the mad people.

SO you really don't see that United get the majority of favourable decisions? Whether through agenda, unconscious bias, fear of Fergie or whatever?

My two best mates are reds and readily admit but say that is what happens when you win so much for so long and have a manager with the clout of Fergie.<br /><br />-- Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:51 am --<br /><br />

I guarantee you this

After Fergie-scum's pathetic outburst on Saturday moaning that they should have played till f@cking midnight. The next time the rags go into stoppage time losing by the odd goal, there will be a very generous amount of time added on

And that then odd-gal could turn into a 2 goal loss, or indeed it could turn into a draw. Who knows? Unless i've missed something in the rules it doesn't say 'X minutes added time and United are allowed 2 keepers and the opposition have concrete poured in their boots', it merely says 'X amount of added time', where believe it or not both teams could score.

Yes, you've missed the point by a long chalk.

When you are leading by 1 goal going into injury time, the team behind has little to lose and generally swamps the team that are leading. It's basic human nature to defend what you have. Why do you think City have become so good at getting the late goals we need when behind? Name the last time City of Utd went into injury time needing a goal and conceded, now should I list the times they have managed to get the goal (or goals) they need?