Manchester City's problems are caused by players not manager

[superseiyan]

Re: Manchester City's problems are caused by their players n

I think your "problems" are:

- Curious lack of tactical versatility. I mean I get that Pellergrini insists you will play your game, but we were called naive for being like that last season. I rarely see you make adjustments mid-game. Of course it's not like you often need to.

- You could do with some young hungry players. Doesn't matter whether bought or from the academy. Carvajal, Varane, Isco, James, Alaba, Gotze, Zouma, Hazard, etc. The clubs competing for the space you want to occupy have the stars of tomorrow. You know your squad more deeply obviously, but from the outside I don't even see second-tier young potential type players like Kane, Ings, or Coutinho.

- How can you still be so dependent on Yaya.

- Strange purchases. Our transfer committee gets laughed at, but I don't know why your club are signing players like Garcia and Sagna. Why? They're not going to improve you. Even on the bench you can and must do better.

- Pellegrini is a tough situation. I mean he did win the title with the club. But do you really think he can take the club to the next level? Like I said when Rodgers was going through a tough time, I like to see managers allowed time to figure themselves out of a mess, so at a minimum Pellegrini deserves to start next season as your manager.

The caveat here is that it's funny talking about this after what will probably be a sequence of 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd......but it's all about constant and never ending improvement, and also where you want to be. Mancini had the right thinking in invoking a club like Bayern during that infamous Tevez incident.

 

[Marvin]

Re: Manchester City's problems are caused by their players n

I think your "problems" are:

- Curious lack of tactical versatility. I mean I get that Pellergrini insists you will play your game, but we were called naive for being like that last season. I rarely see you make adjustments mid-game. Of course it's not like you often need to.

- You could do with some young hungry players. Doesn't matter whether bought or from the academy. Carvajal, Varane, Isco, James, Alaba, Gotze, Zouma, Hazard, etc. The clubs competing for the space you want to occupy have the stars of tomorrow. You know your squad more deeply obviously, but from the outside I don't even see second-tier young potential type players like Kane, Ings, or Coutinho.

- How can you still be so dependent on Yaya.

- Strange purchases. Our transfer committee gets laughed at, but I don't know why your club are signing players like Garcia and Sagna. Why? They're not going to improve you. Even on the bench you can and must do better.

- Pellegrini is a tough situation. I mean he did win the title with the club. But do you really think he can take the club to the next level? Like I said when Rodgers was going through a tough time, I like to see managers allowed time to figure themselves out of a mess, so at a minimum Pellegrini deserves to start next season as your manager.

The caveat here is that it's funny talking about this after what will probably be a sequence of 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd......but it's all about constant and never ending improvement, and also where you want to be. Mancini had the right thinking in invoking a club like Bayern during that infamous Tevez incident.

Disagree entirely with the tactical versatility argument.

It's inferior teams like Chelsea who play that way, and although they have made that work, I prefer City to always be on the front foot like Bayern or Barca or Real Madrid. City did change tactics against Barca slightly. We played Fernando (who had a very good game), withdrew Navas and also played Milner in midfield so we could go with 2 up front. A few weeks ago, City were breaking records for successive wins, yet now it's an unbelievably bad run of results.

The problem is the player's attitude. After we won our first title we saw exactly the same thing.

What City need is Harry Kane, or a Raheem Sterling. Players to come through from our own academy. Or we need winners like Terry, Lampard (younger version) who always fight 100% to win.

Pellegrini has had several issues to deal with over the course of his management and in my opinion he has dealt with them all poorly choosing in effect to sweep them under the carpet:

Hart: He played him and played him last season when Pantillimon who is a very good keeper should have played
Kompany: Has been very poor all season and should have been dropped. He is the biggest reason behind City's problems, but few will say it.
Yaya Toure: Not fit. Sunk a level. Last season he won us the title. No doubt. Now he is way below that level. This is mental weakness again. Ferguson was continually on his guard for this, and most something that most fans don't understand. I predicted at the start of the season that this might happen and got all kinds of abuse for it

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Re: Manchester City's problems are caused by their players n

It's the managers job to adjust the playing style to suit the players he has at his disposal.[/quote

I would have thought that anyone who has watched football for even a short space of time, and seen how a team wins titles, would come to a rapid conclusion that a balance has to be maintained in a good number of matches between attacking and defending. In some games defending will be the priority, whereas in others it can be 'fill yer boots time'! I think Pellers has no intention of adopting a cautious approach when defending in a match appears to be the priority. He seems to have unshakeable faith in the players performing to the highest level in every instance.

I wouldn't want the EyeGouger anywhere near The Etihad Campus. The football would be to pragmatic and not romantic, but I think he would have won MCFC the title this year!!

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Re: Manchester City's problems are caused by their players n

I think your "problems" are:

- Curious lack of tactical versatility. I mean I get that Pellergrini insists you will play your game, but we were called naive for being like that last season. I rarely see you make adjustments mid-game. Of course it's not like you often need to.

- You could do with some young hungry players. Doesn't matter whether bought or from the academy. Carvajal, Varane, Isco, James, Alaba, Gotze, Zouma, Hazard, etc. The clubs competing for the space you want to occupy have the stars of tomorrow. You know your squad more deeply obviously, but from the outside I don't even see second-tier young potential type players like Kane, Ings, or Coutinho.

- How can you still be so dependent on Yaya.

- Strange purchases. Our transfer committee gets laughed at, but I don't know why your club are signing players like Garcia and Sagna. Why? They're not going to improve you. Even on the bench you can and must do better.

- Pellegrini is a tough situation. I mean he did win the title with the club. But do you really think he can take the club to the next level? Like I said when Rodgers was going through a tough time, I like to see managers allowed time to figure themselves out of a mess, so at a minimum Pellegrini deserves to start next season as your manager.

The caveat here is that it's funny talking about this after what will probably be a sequence of 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd......but it's all about constant and never ending improvement, and also where you want to be. Mancini had the right thinking in invoking a club like Bayern during that infamous Tevez incident.

Disagree entirely with the tactical versatility argument.

It's inferior teams like Chelsea who play that way, and although they have made that work, I prefer City to always be on the front foot like Bayern or Barca or Real Madrid. City did change tactics against Barca slightly. We played Fernando (who had a very good game), withdrew Navas and also played Milner in midfield so we could go with 2 up front. A few weeks ago, City were breaking records for successive wins, yet now it's an unbelievably bad run of results.

The problem is the player's attitude. After we won our first title we saw exactly the same thing.

What City need is Harry Kane, or a Raheem Sterling. Players to come through from our own academy. Or we need winners like Terry, Lampard (younger version) who always fight 100% to win.

Pellegrini has had several issues to deal with over the course of his management and in my opinion he has dealt with them all poorly choosing in effect to sweep them under the carpet:

Hart: He played him and played him last season when Pantillimon who is a very good keeper should have played
Kompany: Has been very poor all season and should have been dropped. He is the biggest reason behind City's problems, but few will say it.
Yaya Toure: Not fit. Sunk a level. Last season he won us the title. No doubt. Now he is way below that level. This is mental weakness again. Ferguson was continually on his guard for this, and most something that most fans don't understand. I predicted at the start of the season that this might happen and got all kinds of abuse for it

Agreed. Especially around bring players in from the youth setup, players who bleed blue blood and will try week in week out, it isnt enough to just have the best players in Europe, they have to have the passion and we lack that this season sometimes. So imo, the issue ISNT as easy as changing to different formation but telling the players to perform the roles they should and ultimately that is the managers job

 

[cheddar404]

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It's the managers job to adjust the playing style to suit the players he has at his disposal.[/quote

I would have thought that anyone who has watched football for even a short space of time, and seen how a team wins titles, would come to a rapid conclusion that a balance has to be maintained in a good number of matches between attacking and defending. In some games defending will be the priority, whereas in others it can be 'fill yer boots time'! I think Pellers has no intention of adopting a cautious approach when defending in a match appears to be the priority. He seems to have unshakeable faith in the players performing to the highest level in every instance.

I wouldn't want the EyeGouger anywhere near The Etihad Campus. The football would be to pragmatic and not romantic, but I think he would have won MCFC the title this year!!

He probably would have but I'd rather finish second than watch the dour stuff Chelsea serve up on a regular basis. He's also an absolute bellend of a human being that I wouldn't want associated with my club.

 

[Jack Wills]

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He probably would have but I'd rather finish second than watch the dour stuff Chelsea serve up on a regular basis. He's also an absolute bellend of a human being that I wouldn't want associated with my club.

I couldn't disagree more. I just want to see City successful, especially at the expense of scum like the rags and self-entitled wankers like Chelsea. If the man to bring us title after title is Mourinho I'd have him in a heartbeat. I honestly wouldn't care who the manager is as long as he is a proven winner and gets results. If that's achieved playing pretty football then even better, but the bottom line is success.

 

[cheddar404]

Re: Manchester City's problems are caused by their players n

He probably would have but I'd rather finish second than watch the dour stuff Chelsea serve up on a regular basis. He's also an absolute bellend of a human being that I wouldn't want associated with my club.

I couldn't disagree more. I just want to see City successful, especially at the expense of scum like the rags and self-entitled wankers like Chelsea. If the man to bring us title after title is Mourinho I'd have him in a heartbeat. I honestly wouldn't care who the manager is as long as he is a proven winner and gets results. If that's achieved playing pretty football then even better, but the bottom line is success.

Fair enough. I don't get a sense of self entitlement from Chelsea but I get your point. It's not win at all costs for me so we'll just have to beg to differ.

 

[Norbiton]

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Interesting analysis, but strange to identify Nigel as the player we miss most when it's clearly Gary Barry. Under Mancini players frequently named him as the vital element in the team, the one who allowed the others to play because he was always there to mop up and start things moving again. Obviously he DID need replacing, what with being one-footed and becoming ever slower, but we haven't found anybody with his positional nous to protect the defence. I thought Garcia was beginning to get it towards the end of last season but then we sold him. Perhaps Fernando will come good this time next year.

 

[baildon blue]

Re: Manchester City's problems are caused by their players n

It's the managers job to adjust the playing style to suit the players he has at his disposal.

Correct .
And he should also do his home work on what the opposition are going to do .

 

[cball23]

Re: Manchester City's problems are caused by players not man

i really don't think pellers is the man to take us forward up to the next level. i know we don't know what goes on behind closed doors but he just doesnt seem to have it in him to give a bollocking when things are going wrong. I would much prefer a younger manager like simeone who you can see getting irate on the touchline and will get the players fired up no matter who we play and is not scared to change things before its to late. Don't fget me wrong MP did a really good job last year with the double and was no easy feat but the team is virtually the same team that won the league in 2012 so he has not really progressed us as a team which is quite worrying