Mancini

[waspish]

Mancini: 7 seasons in CL, hundreds of millions spent and still a complete fail in Europe. But according to guys like Marvin: tactics are spot on.

How do you rate BaconChops tactics in Europe?

Won it and been in two finals in recent years so I would say there pretty good.

So what happened last year?

 

[Davs 19]

Mancini: 7 seasons in CL, hundreds of millions spent and still a complete fail in Europe. But according to guys like Marvin: tactics are spot on.

How do you rate BaconChops tactics in Europe?

Won it and been in two finals in recent years so I would say there pretty good.

How about his first three seasons in Europe with the rags ?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Worked ok last year and year before

The lack of pace in midfield has always held us back, and as other managers have sussed out our style of play, we have proven to be very poor against (a) inferior sides who 'park the bus' and (b) high-pressing sides. Look at our squad, and there is no real answer there to these problems.

This is rubbish. You beat the bus through fast passing and control. Not through pacy wingers - that's the old style English dinosaur thinking.

Look at Barcelona

Look at what we did last season - how do you explain that?

Rubbish. If you can't get through a team you go around them. That's why man united don't whinge about teams 'parking the bus'. You need players who in the wide areas, which aren't protected by 'the bus', will knock it outside someone this creating room for a cross which is coming back at the defenders. These are crosses which are difficult to defend no matter how many you have back. It's the reason united win so many tight games, and often late. They ping it wide and ping it into the box.

We don't have anyone who can go outside a player. They all either come inside( tevez, silva) or havent the burst of pace to get past the fullback (kolorov, zab, milner)In fact the only one in our squad who goes outside the full back is Richards.

 

[Davs 19]

The lack of pace in midfield has always held us back, and as other managers have sussed out our style of play, we have proven to be very poor against (a) inferior sides who 'park the bus' and (b) high-pressing sides. Look at our squad, and there is no real answer there to these problems.

This is rubbish. You beat the bus through fast passing and control. Not through pacy wingers - that's the old style English dinosaur thinking.

Look at Barcelona

Look at what we did last season - how do you explain that?

Rubbish. If you can't get through a team you go around them. That's why man united don't whinge about teams 'parking the bus'. You need players who in the wide areas, which aren't protected by 'the bus', will knock it outside someone this creating room for a cross which is coming back at the defenders. These are crosses which are difficult to defend no matter how many you have back. It's the reason united win so many tight games, and often late. They ping it wide and ping it into the box.

We don't have anyone who can go outside a player. They all either come inside( tevez, silva) or havent the burst of pace to get past the fullback (kolorov, zab, milner)In fact the only one in our squad who goes outside the full back is Richards.

Aguero ?

 

[bapi]

United have something like 2 CL finals (1 won) in last 6 years, no? And same for Chelsea, no?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If you can't get through a team you go around them. That's why man united don't whinge about teams 'parking the bus'. You need players who in the wide areas, which aren't protected by 'the bus', will knock it outside someone this creating room for a cross which is coming back at the defenders. These are crosses which are difficult to defend no matter how many you have back. It's the reason united win so many tight games, and often late. They ping it wide and ping it into the box.

We don't have anyone who can go outside a player. They all either come inside( tevez, silva) or havent the burst of pace to get past the fullback (kolorov, zab, milner)In fact the only one in our squad who goes outside the full back is Richards.

There's not a lot to disagree with in this post.


We certainly lack width, pace and a meaningful alternative late in games.

 

[OB1]

Wingers aren't 'dinosaur' football if used properly, that's a real misconception because Barcelona shy away from out-and-out wingers and they are the fashionable team.

Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, and Borussia Dortmund use width and are superior football teams to us. They are a good option and can co-exist with a technical style of football (like Real can have Di Maria and Ronaldo - width, in the same team as Ozil and Alonso - technical). Also I think wingers are extra useful in England, English defences seem to struggle against wingers which is why United have used them for over 20 years without being sussed out.

Even Barcelona have used Pedro, Sanchez, Tello, and others who are fast and play out wide, even if not always as traditional wingers. We have Scott Sinclair and James Milner...

If you choose not to use wingers you still need pace in other areas, our midfield has none. There's absolutely no spark in our midfield, we have no central midfielder like Vidal or Fernandinho who is all over the place and no attacking midfielder who can scare opponents like a Hazard or Bale. Only when Yaya goes into box-to-box powerhouse mode do we see it but that hardly ever seems to happen anymore. This is why our football just seems to... stop so often. That undeniable stagnant feel.

Silva is the only high-end creative outlet in our entire squad thanks to Nasri's poor performances. Tevez does a decent job as a pretend playmaker but that isn't his ideal role.

When people say add pace to the team, they don't always mean speed merchants on the wing. And it doesn't just mean running fast, but speed of thought and passing... Xabi Alonso doesn't have much pace but thinks so quickly and passes so well from deep that he can create a chance from the halfway line in a second. The best teams can create REAL chances (not these scrappy half-chances we so often make in tight spaces) from all over the pitch, as far back as central midfield.

A man that knows his football........great post!

Yup.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Wingers aren't 'dinosaur' football if used properly, that's a real misconception because Barcelona shy away from out-and-out wingers and they are the fashionable team.

Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, and Borussia Dortmund use width and are superior football teams to us. They are a good option and can co-exist with a technical style of football (like Real can have Di Maria and Ronaldo - width, in the same team as Ozil and Alonso - technical). Also I think wingers are extra useful in England, English defences seem to struggle against wingers which is why United have used them for over 20 years without being sussed out.

Even Barcelona have used Pedro, Sanchez, Tello, and others who are fast and play out wide, even if not always as traditional wingers. We have Scott Sinclair and James Milner...

If you choose not to use wingers you still need pace in other areas, our midfield has none. There's absolutely no spark in our midfield, we have no central midfielder like Vidal or Fernandinho who is all over the place and no attacking midfielder who can scare opponents like a Hazard or Bale. Only when Yaya goes into box-to-box powerhouse mode do we see it but that hardly ever seems to happen anymore. This is why our football just seems to... stop so often. That undeniable stagnant feel.

Silva is the only high-end creative outlet in our entire squad thanks to Nasri's poor performances. Tevez does a decent job as a pretend playmaker but that isn't his ideal role.

When people say add pace to the team, they don't always mean speed merchants on the wing. And it doesn't just mean running fast, but speed of thought and passing... Xabi Alonso doesn't have much pace but thinks so quickly and passes so well from deep that he can create a chance from the halfway line in a second. The best teams can create REAL chances (not these scrappy half-chances we so often make in tight spaces) from all over the pitch, as far back as central midfield.

A man that knows his football........great post!

Yup.

I'm sure Marv will be on soon to disagree....

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

How do you rate BaconChops tactics in Europe?

Won it and been in two finals in recent years so I would say there pretty good.

So what happened last year?

He fucked it up last year but not two years in a row. Surely you must admit though three finals in the past six years or so is an excellent record? Even this season they were comfortably outplaying Madrid until the sending off and I remember going on red cafe to laugh at them and all the members were saying how he got his tactics spot on in that game.

 

[bapi]

Crazy. Some people here are so obssesed with Rags. Quite sad, to be honest. The fact is Mancini didn't make it in the hardest football competition in the world. He had SEVEN attemps there and always failed. Plus BaconFace's failures won't make Mancini more successful, no?