Manctopia on BBC2

If a younger person is earning £20k a year then that’s maybe £70k they can borrow on the understanding it’s 3.5 times their salary. I bet that doesn’t get them more than a studio apartment from somewhere not on the Metrolink.
 
peoffrey said:
I've lived in London on and off for fifteen years and Manchester is sadly becoming the London of the North. Trust me, you DON'T want that to happen. It'll lose its soul and become all about the outsiders. Gentrification has killed London.

I'm house hunting at the moment and am struggling to find value in Manchester compared to Newcastle, Liverpool or Leeds as comparable cities in the north. It's daft what they want for a two up two down in Droylsden or Failsworth.

All my old friends from back in the day have left. Even if they're only in Preston or Stafford, their Manchester is dead to them. It's tragic.
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I was watching last night and it shocked me how much just basic so called social housing cost in Manchester. I live in Preston which on the whole looks a hell of a lot nicer than most of the places shown last night and for similar money you get so much more house. It showed its already driving local people away from the areas they have lived for 30+ years and thats losing the heart ond soul of the area.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
get this....

estate agents are now calling Royton in oldham the new didsbury.
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Moved away from Royton in 2006. I understand my old house is still pretty much worth what is was sold for back then but that may have changed in the last year or two. Great memories of the place as that's where my kids first went to school. In-Laws still live up there.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
You jest (I think) but my prediction is it will be, especially if they build the extra tram stop at Elton reservoir. The area is already surrounded by expensive housing to the south (Stand Lane/Ringley Road) and to the north (Ainsworth) and has great countryside on its doorstep. They've built some 5 bed houses at the top of Outwood Road selling for half a million and they're little more than 3 storey townhouses, not even a garage and very little garden. A 3 bed bungalow just north of the town will cost you £400k. Absolutely crazy, however there's some bargains in the town centre. Hopefully the regeneration plan with new high school will improve the town centre, which is really holding it back.
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You are correct. Bury council has systemically demolished the infrastructure of Radcliffe, the schools, civic centre, the pool. Hopefully someone with influence will realise how they have shit on Radcliffe and start to right the wrongs.
 
willipp said:
I was watching last night and it shocked me how much just basic so called social housing cost in Manchester. I live in Preston which on the whole looks a hell of a lot nicer than most of the places shown last night and for similar money you get so much more house. It showed its already driving local people away from the areas they have lived for 30+ years and thats losing the heart ond soul of the area.
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The difference is in Preston you’re not 20 minutes commute away from the fastest growing economic area in the country.

You have so much more chance of earning a higher salary in Manchester than other northern towns.

I know you can commute from Preston to Manc but it’s a ball ache at best.

I agree the city seriously needs to retain affordable homes for all though
 
Ban-jani said:
The difference is in Preston you’re not 20 minutes commute away from the fastest growing economic area in the country.

You have so much more chance of earning a higher salary in Manchester than other northern towns.

I know you can commute from Preston to Manc but it’s a ball ache at best.

I agree the city seriously needs to retain affordable homes for all though
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Yeah you are right. I know a lot who do that commute and its a thoroughly miserable experience. I get the train to games and am in picadilly in 36 minutes on a good train which is fine for me. However the morning and evening commute sounds a story of cancelled trains, packed in like sardines, miserable people and overall a crappy start and end to your day. Not for me at all.
 
willipp said:
Yeah you are right. I know a lot who do that commute and its a thoroughly miserable experience. I get the train to games and am in picadilly in 36 minutes on a good train which is fine for me. However the morning and evening commute sounds a story of cancelled trains, packed in like sardines, miserable people and overall a crappy start and end to your day. Not for me at all.
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My old boss, a Director who still works for the company in another capacity now, he’s from Preston and used to commute every day.

He now lives in Clitheroe and is obviously only in the office occasionally due to Covid-19.

He always drove it as he said the trains were too bad in rush hour and he’d rather get up earlier and sit in traffic than get a train.
 
Ban-jani said:
The difference is in Preston you’re not 20 minutes commute away from the fastest growing economic area in the country.

You have so much more chance of earning a higher salary in Manchester than other northern towns.

I know you can commute from Preston to Manc but it’s a ball ache at best.

I agree the city seriously needs to retain affordable homes for all though
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The competition for jobs will be fierce, though. I struggled in Manchester for a year to find anything permanent whilst in London they were begging me to work for them.

With the population of Manchester set to increase hugely, will there be enough jobs to go round?

I bet Preston is really nice. I've known people from that part of Lancashire before and they're salt of the earth. Manchester will become full of designer haircuts and gastro burgers. Many of my old friends have gone.
 
peoffrey said:
The competition for jobs will be fierce, though. I struggled in Manchester for a year to find anything permanent whilst in London they were begging me to work for them.

With the population of Manchester set to increase hugely, will there be enough jobs to go round? Retaining employees was a huge problem of ours when I was a people manager.

I bet Preston is really nice. I've known people from that part of Lancashire before and they're salt of the earth. Manchester will become full of designer haircuts and gastro burgers. Many of my old friends have gone.
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Many firms in London are upping sticks with their operational functions for a cheaper Manchester and office space is growing and growing.

As long as it’s not bollocks’d up completely Manchester will be a powerhouse on a European scale in 10 years.
 
Ban-jani said:
My old boss, a Director who still works for the company in another capacity now, he’s from Preston and used to commute every day.

He now lives in Clitheroe and is obviously only in the office occasionally due to Covid-19.

He always drove it as he said the trains were too bad in rush hour and he’d rather get up earlier and sit in traffic than get a train.
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Leave before 6:15 and you are ok in the car, any time after that and it’s a 2 hour drive. Saying that, that’s like when I worked in crewe and using the m6 daily added 4 hours to my day. Made me totally miserable. Bottom line is as Manchester expands more and more people will be commuting more and the transport infrastructure needs appropriate investment.
 
Ban-jani said:
Many firms in London are upping sticks with their operational functions for a cheaper Manchester and office space is growing and growing.

As long as it’s not bollocks’d up completely Manchester will be a powerhouse on a European scale in 10 years.
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Can you name them? I know The Square Mile and Canary Wharf well. These areas are absolutely huge. Sky scrapers. I can't see where in Manchester these firms would go as Spinningfields is pretty full already.

I'd argue many firms can see workers can work from home easily and therefore don't need office space at all. That's a very confident prediction. Have you got Saturday's Lotto result?
 
peoffrey said:
Can you name them? I know The Square Mile and Canary Wharf well. These areas are absolutely huge. Sky scrapers. I can't see where in Manchester these firms would go as Spinningfields is pretty full already.

I'd argue many firms can see workers can work from home easily and therefore don't need office space at all. That's a very confident prediction. Have you got Saturday's Lotto result?
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Reliably informed Deloittes are moving a lot of their work north and into Manchester for a start.
 
peoffrey said:
Can you name them? I know The Square Mile and Canary Wharf well. These areas are absolutely huge. Sky scrapers. I can't see where in Manchester these firms would go as Spinningfields is pretty full already.

I'd argue many firms can see workers can work from home easily and therefore don't need office space at all. That's a very confident prediction. Have you got Saturday's Lotto result?
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NatWest is an example, they made a whole section of their IT dept redundant in London to move the operation to Manchester.

The WFH thing will certainly slow things down on this front, you’re right but most companies still need a base and Manchester is greatly cheaper, with many options.

Just this morning I counted several new office blocks, including one that looks very fancy next to us at the top of King St, being erected.

I don’t gamble, sorry.
 
willipp said:
Reliably informed Deloittes are moving a lot of their work north and into Manchester for a start.
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They have an office in Manchester already but mass closure and relocation is surely a huge logistical nightmare?

London is huge. It takes forever to get across. Manchester couldn't cope with 10% of what London has. There just simply isn't the room unless you bulldoze Coronation Street housing and replace it with apartments... Oh...
 
peoffrey said:
They have an office in Manchester already but mass closure and relocation is surely a huge logistical nightmare?

London is huge. It takes forever to get across. Manchester couldn't cope with 10% of what London has. There just simply isn't the room unless you bulldoze Coronation Street housing and replace it with apartments... Oh...
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You only need to glance at the sky line to see the amount going up.

It could cope with more than 10% I’d guess at but not the majority of what’s in London for sure, it’s not going to be every company in London nor is it going to affect London an economic centre, it’s just going to help Manchester grow exponentially when some companies move aspects of their operations up here.
 
peoffrey said:
They have an office in Manchester already but mass closure and relocation is surely a huge logistical nightmare?

London is huge. It takes forever to get across. Manchester couldn't cope with 10% of what London has. There just simply isn't the room unless you bulldoze Coronation Street housing and replace it with apartments... Oh...
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A lot of it is their IT consultancy side of the business and like you say, involves primarily wfh or being on client sites, no huge need for actual office space and the overheads that’s brings. I’ve spent the last year as well working in the square mile just off Liverpool street and when compared to Manchester it’s a different world.

What it does show is that big companies are investing in Manchester, not just in terms of building space but also people and that means bigger wages, more money, more demand for nicer housing etc.
 
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