Manuel Pellegrini (cont)

[flb]

Take Yaya. Still makes us tick in certain games and we struggle without him but his age and AFCON and his form over the last few years, the time was right to cash in last year when his stock was high and that money spent on the next Yaya. Of course as fans we see certain players as always being here but it does the team no good in the long run.

Silva will be a player we need to make a huge decision on soon enough as well and it wont go down well at all.

Wash your mouth out !!!

He's our conductor mate, no chance he's going

Honestly mate, nearing 30 and a huge bid comes in what do you do as a club?

You cant hang on to an ever depreciating asset whilst at the same time, hurting the team and its decisions like this that Txiki will live and die on.

For clarity, i use him as an example but it applies to all our players before folk jump on me for wanting merlin out lol.

if a huge bid comes in it will be a big club and it wont be PSG ! That should tell you the type of club that would take him would get another 3 seasons out of him, he can easily do another 3 for us.

No chance Silva will go

 

[blueinsa]

Wash your mouth out !!!

He's our conductor mate, no chance he's going

Honestly mate, nearing 30 and a huge bid comes in what do you do as a club?

You cant hang on to an ever depreciating asset whilst at the same time, hurting the team and its decisions like this that Txiki will live and die on.

For clarity, i use him as an example but it applies to all our players before folk jump on me for wanting merlin out lol.

On current (and I stress current) form I wouldnt trust Txiki to replace an ink cartridge.

Dont agree but it made me laugh :-)

 

[moomba]

It'll be a sad day when Silva departs. Hopefully not for many years yet.

Relies on his brain and technical ability more than speed and strength. So shouldnt decline for a while yet. Only concern is the battering his ankles have taken for years.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

When the players knew Mancini was out, they were able to ease off.

Now some of our players know their time is up, they again lack the required level of intensity and motivation.

The by-product of that is the manager suffers the fall-out.

We are seeing the tail-wind of a variety of transfer regimes, from Hughes right through to Txiki/Pellegrini.

It's a patchwork quilt of those who shined, those who whined, those who thrived, and those who should never have been.

Pellegrini is the biggest and most unfortunate recipient of all that.

The only cure can be a clear decisiveness.

An acknowledge of the faults of everyone, and yet an emotional detachment, regardless of what has gone before, in terms of moving forward as a team for the next few years.

That goes for Yaya, Silva, Kompany, whoever.

It's a judgement call that can only be made by the 'informed'

I'm uncomfortable that one man in Txiki, football man or not, seemingly being the absolute overlord over whether a City team is successful or not.

He either trusts Pellegrini with the keys to the vault, or a dismissal HAS TO BE MADE.

 

[blueinsa]

When the players knew Mancini was out, they were able to ease off.

Now some of our players know their time is up, they again lack the required level of intensity and motivation.

The by-product of that is the manager suffers the fall-out.

We are seeing the tail-wind of a variety of transfer regimes, from Hughes right through to Txiki/Pellegrini.

It's a patchwork quilt of those who shined, those who whined, those who thrived, and those who should never have been.

Pellegrini is the biggest and most unfortunate recipient of all that.

The only cure can be a clear decisiveness.

An acknowledge of the faults of everyone, and yet an emotional detachment, regardless of what has gone before, in terms of moving forward as a team for the next few years.

That goes for Yaya, Silva, Kompany, whoever.

It's a judgement call that can only be made by the 'informed'

I'm uncomfortable that one man in Txiki, football man or not, seemingly being the absolute overlord over whether a City team is successful or not.

He either trusts Pellegrini with the keys to the vault, or a dismissal HAS TO BE MADE.

Its an interesting role the DoF, especially if they have complete control of who gets signed and who doesn't. You could argue if he is doing that then he should go all the way and back himself as manager of the side as well and save a wage and as a manager, it must be difficult having to work with players you just dont want or need in your opinion.

This summer is huge because our approach to the first team on how its run and recruitment needs to be looked at in depth with a view to it standing the test of time going forward.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

When the players knew Mancini was out, they were able to ease off.

Now some of our players know their time is up, they again lack the required level of intensity and motivation.

The by-product of that is the manager suffers the fall-out.

We are seeing the tail-wind of a variety of transfer regimes, from Hughes right through to Txiki/Pellegrini.

It's a patchwork quilt of those who shined, those who whined, those who thrived, and those who should never have been.

Pellegrini is the biggest and most unfortunate recipient of all that.

The only cure can be a clear decisiveness.

An acknowledge of the faults of everyone, and yet an emotional detachment, regardless of what has gone before, in terms of moving forward as a team for the next few years.

That goes for Yaya, Silva, Kompany, whoever.

It's a judgement call that can only be made by the 'informed'

I'm uncomfortable that one man in Txiki, football man or not, seemingly being the absolute overlord over whether a City team is successful or not.

He either trusts Pellegrini with the keys to the vault, or a dismissal HAS TO BE MADE.

Its an interesting role the DoF, especially if they have complete control of who gets signed and who doesn't. You could argue if he is doing that then he should go all the way and back himself as manager of the side as well and save a wage and as a manager, it must be difficult having to work with players you just dont want or need in your opinion.

This summer is huge because our approach to the first team on how its run and recruitment needs to be looked at in depth with a view to it standing the test of time going forward.

Massive, in fact ;)

I was uncomfortable when Hughes was allowed to spend £200m plus in one year (the type of funds we need now to refresh the cycle IMO)

I was uncomfortable with Mancini, who always wanted more money and the blindingly obvious mantra that if you buy big and best, you bask in the reflected glory of trophies and managerial genius.

I understood the move towards a DoF, ensuring continuity, regardless of manager, a strategic planning behind the most important keystrokes.

Yet, what if the greatest of ironies is that for all of Txiki's undoubted experience, contacts books, previous successes, the man above the manager is actually the wrong man also?

I'm not saying that he is, although we will only really see this summer if his foresight actually stretched beyond the financial constraints of this season and a title-winning team of 12 months ago.

Sacking the manager would provide evidence that like anyone else, he is not infallible, and although accountable, he has the grace and favour of his role, which undoubtably affords him longer than the man who actually stands in front of the TV cameras and stands on the touchline each week.

City are done no favours in the interim, and the whole thing seems a hiding to nothing for all concerned?

 

[r.soleofsalford]

When the players knew Mancini was out, they were able to ease off.

Now some of our players know their time is up, they again lack the required level of intensity and motivation.

The by-product of that is the manager suffers the fall-out.

We are seeing the tail-wind of a variety of transfer regimes, from Hughes right through to Txiki/Pellegrini.

It's a patchwork quilt of those who shined, those who whined, those who thrived, and those who should never have been.

Pellegrini is the biggest and most unfortunate recipient of all that.

The only cure can be a clear decisiveness.

An acknowledge of the faults of everyone, and yet an emotional detachment, regardless of what has gone before, in terms of moving forward as a team for the next few years.

That goes for Yaya, Silva, Kompany, whoever.

It's a judgement call that can only be made by the 'informed'

I'm uncomfortable that one man in Txiki, football man or not, seemingly being the absolute overlord over whether a City team is successful or not.

He either trusts Pellegrini with the keys to the vault, or a dismissal HAS TO BE MADE.

His team selections and insistence on 442 isnt down to the players. Nice bloke that he seems, his constant playing of a 442 against teams that flood their central area`s to win is the root of all his and our problems. We get away with this most of the time because the individual quality we have on pitch, dig us out of a hole of Pelligrini`s making. His team selections have been nothing short of shambolic.

I travel with a supporters branch to both home and aways and have lost count of the times groans have rung out on hearing Pelligrini`s team selections. I`m sure anybody who travels in a large group will back this up, it cant just be our branch

I`m also not happy with the messiah Txiki`s transer business since joining our club either, although to some extent his spending has been hampered by ffp which of course it was designed and evolved to do.

 

[flb]

When the players knew Mancini was out, they were able to ease off.

Now some of our players know their time is up, they again lack the required level of intensity and motivation.

The by-product of that is the manager suffers the fall-out.

We are seeing the tail-wind of a variety of transfer regimes, from Hughes right through to Txiki/Pellegrini.

It's a patchwork quilt of those who shined, those who whined, those who thrived, and those who should never have been.

Pellegrini is the biggest and most unfortunate recipient of all that.

The only cure can be a clear decisiveness.

An acknowledge of the faults of everyone, and yet an emotional detachment, regardless of what has gone before, in terms of moving forward as a team for the next few years.

That goes for Yaya, Silva, Kompany, whoever.

It's a judgement call that can only be made by the 'informed'

I'm uncomfortable that one man in Txiki, football man or not, seemingly being the absolute overlord over whether a City team is successful or not.

He either trusts Pellegrini with the keys to the vault, or a dismissal HAS TO BE MADE.

Its an interesting role the DoF, especially if they have complete control of who gets signed and who doesn't. You could argue if he is doing that then he should go all the way and back himself as manager of the side as well and save a wage and as a manager, it must be difficult having to work with players you just dont want or need in your opinion.

This summer is huge because our approach to the first team on how its run and recruitment needs to be looked at in depth with a view to it standing the test of time going forward.

Massive, in fact ;)

I was uncomfortable when Hughes was allowed to spend £200m plus in one year (the type of funds we need now to refresh the cycle IMO)

I was uncomfortable with Mancini, who always wanted more money and the blindingly obvious mantra that if you buy big and best, you bask in the reflected glory of trophies and managerial genius.

I understood the move towards a DoF, ensuring continuity, regardless of manager, a strategic planning behind the most important keystrokes.

Yet, what if the greatest of ironies is that for all of Txiki's undoubted experience, contacts books, previous successes, the man above the manager is actually the wrong man also?

I'm not saying that he is, although we will only really see this summer if his foresight actually stretched beyond the financial constraints of this season and a title-winning team of 12 months ago.

Sacking the manager would provide evidence that like anyone else, he is not infallible, and although accountable, he has the grace and favour of his role, which undoubtably affords him longer than the man who actually stands in front of the TV cameras and stands on the touchline each week.

City are done no favours in the interim, and the whole thing seems a hiding to nothing for all concerned?

One of the things that worries me about Txiki is his apparent lack of knowledge of English home grown talent, perhaps he has a bulging dossier of England's finest and we will sign a couple close season who knows but this is very important for the mindset and dressing room of the team when the going gets tough and of course they know the league inside out. Brenda at Liverpool like him or loath him is good at spotting English talent, a route our club should try to implement sooner rather than later than filling the squad with passengers who only like it when the going is good.

Of course we will look further afield into Europe for some big names but we have to get the blend right if the whole thing is going to work.

 

[mcfcphil]

in Aguero we have possibly the best player on planet earth at playing on the shoulder and finding space between the defenders. Last night he was told to drop deep because bony was playing.
For me that's unforgivable. You play your best players in their best position and go from there. Unfortunately pellegrini can't do that because he's set his stall out and has to play bony.
The result is we're restricting the best forward we've ever had at the club. No wonder he looked pissed off.

 

[jay_mcfc]

When the players knew Mancini was out, they were able to ease off.

Now some of our players know their time is up, they again lack the required level of intensity and motivation.

The by-product of that is the manager suffers the fall-out.

We are seeing the tail-wind of a variety of transfer regimes, from Hughes right through to Txiki/Pellegrini.

It's a patchwork quilt of those who shined, those who whined, those who thrived, and those who should never have been.

Pellegrini is the biggest and most unfortunate recipient of all that.

The only cure can be a clear decisiveness.

An acknowledge of the faults of everyone, and yet an emotional detachment, regardless of what has gone before, in terms of moving forward as a team for the next few years.

That goes for Yaya, Silva, Kompany, whoever.

It's a judgement call that can only be made by the 'informed'

I'm uncomfortable that one man in Txiki, football man or not, seemingly being the absolute overlord over whether a City team is successful or not.

He either trusts Pellegrini with the keys to the vault, or a dismissal HAS TO BE MADE.

Sorry Tolmie but I'm not having a lot of that. I like Pellegrini and it's hard to want a manager gone who had such success in a short period but he is no victim in all of this. The be all and end all of this is that we have regressed far too much over the last twelve months but unlike the last time this happened with Mancini two years ago, we no longer have the right squad at the right age to recover. Big changes are needed off and on the field just to get us back on track to where we were because the players have stagnated, the manager refuses to change his ways and learn his lessons and the transfer dealings simply have to be a hell of a lot better than they have been the last three years.