Manuel Pellegrini

[adrianr]

I think we're a Yaya replacement and top class left back from that.

You know where I'm heading with this..................
If we had those additional players, which I agree with you we definitely need, could Pellers then take that team to the next level. If not, what do you think he is lacking?

Difficult one to answer but I'll try. A manager has his level, give or take. If we take Mark Hughes, he did a great job at Blackburn & Fulham but failed spectacularly when he had money to spend. His level was getting a group of unfashionable players to overachieve. Baconface proved that a great manager doesn't need great players in every position. Pulis couldn't get Stoke in the top half yet he did a spectacular job in getting Stoke up & keeping Palace up. I suspect Pellegrini's level is well above Hughes but less than Baconface. His greatest success came at unfashionable clubs with an unfancied group of players.

What makes that difference? A manager who can instil iron will and total belief in his players. Do you see that in our players at the moment? I don't.

My greatest hope after last season is that the players would start to recognise both how good they are individually, but how good the club can be as a team. The shit poor start last season can be slightly forgiven, lots of poor souls in need of a hug, but we got there. There were many doubts about Pellegrini, I had plenty, mostly whether he was just a nearly man, and like you say perhaps just does best as the underdog. The title win laid a lot of that to rest, and I genuinely thought we would kick on finally full of belief that we were the best team in the league. We would charge to club after club, whipping out our humongous member and smacking it on the desk of every manager foolish enough to get in our way.

And then we lost at home to Stoke.

Stoke.

At home.

And we didn't even score.

It's certainly never boring.

 

[Eccles Blue]

Blooming heck, it was one match, one deflection and Mr Pellegrini wasn't even in the dug out!! What would some of you have been like in the really bad times??

In Mr Pellegrini I trust, we will be fine. This time last season when we were losing/drawing away from home was a poor time, this season we are a different squad with a winning mentality and we will be ok. Just remember (& I didn't think I'd be saying this this early in the season but this is for the half empty folk) WE ARE MANCHESTER CITY, WE FIGHT TO THE END!! Even Vincent Kompany said that on Radio Manchester last night.

Have faith, in the team, in Mr Pellegrini and in our fans.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I think the missing factor is fear. You can be a very good manager but if your players don't fear you then you will never achieve greatness. Busby, Shankly, Paisley & Baconface knew which buttons to press with their players. They were great man managers but the players also feared them. And Mourinho. With Mancini it was only fear, nothing else. With Pellegrini I see lots of good things but I don't see that fear.

 

[BillyShears]

I think the missing factor is fear. You can be a very good manager but if your players don't fear you then you will never achieve greatness. Busby, Shankly, Paisley & Baconface knew which buttons to press with their players. They were great man managers but the players also feared them. And Mourinho. With Mancini it was only fear, nothing else. With Pellegrini I see lots of good things but I don't see that fear.

Carlo Ancelotti has won everything there is to win. You think his players fear him?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I think the missing factor is fear. You can be a very good manager but if your players don't fear you then you will never achieve greatness. Busby, Shankly, Paisley & Baconface knew which buttons to press with their players. They were great man managers but the players also feared them. And Mourinho. With Mancini it was only fear, nothing else. With Pellegrini I see lots of good things but I don't see that fear.

Carlo Ancelotti has won everything there is to win. You think his players fear him?

Yes. Or at least they have to think they could fear him. Fear is the major motivator in football.

 

[Navas >>| Fast Forward]

If the players don't fear Pellegrini then they should. He didn't have any problem dropping Hart or getting rid of players that have not been unto scratch.


This forum is going to be a nightmare if we get beat by Chelsea and the Rags win at Leicester but even if that happens I still think we will win the league.

 

[BillyShears]

I think the missing factor is fear. You can be a very good manager but if your players don't fear you then you will never achieve greatness. Busby, Shankly, Paisley & Baconface knew which buttons to press with their players. They were great man managers but the players also feared them. And Mourinho. With Mancini it was only fear, nothing else. With Pellegrini I see lots of good things but I don't see that fear.

Carlo Ancelotti has won everything there is to win. You think his players fear him?

Yes. Or at least they have to think they could fear him. Fear is the major motivator in football.

So you think Ancelotti's players fear him but our players don't fear Pellegrini in the same way.

Okay. Good luck trying to rationalise all the trophies we go on to win under MP.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I think the missing factor is fear. You can be a very good manager but if your players don't fear you then you will never achieve greatness. Busby, Shankly, Paisley & Baconface knew which buttons to press with their players. They were great man managers but the players also feared them. And Mourinho. With Mancini it was only fear, nothing else. With Pellegrini I see lots of good things but I don't see that fear.

Carlo Ancelotti has won everything there is to win. You think his players fear him?

Yes. Or at least they have to think they could fear him. Fear is the major motivator in football.

I think you under-estimate Pelle, his whole demeanour gives the vibe of delivering a well-timed bollocking if needs be, however I don't think results like Bayern will cause that, I just think, like last September, we're in a pretty poor run, but it won't last. It's whether we can keep pace with Chelsea in the meantime, but ultimately top 3, whilst not what we'd like, will do. Obviously have a big battle with Chelsea would be advantageous, but getting through the group and getting to later rounds is where our brand will grow the most.

 

[OB1]

I think the missing factor is fear. You can be a very good manager but if your players don't fear you then you will never achieve greatness. Busby, Shankly, Paisley & Baconface knew which buttons to press with their players. They were great man managers but the players also feared them. And Mourinho. With Mancini it was only fear, nothing else. With Pellegrini I see lots of good things but I don't see that fear.

FFS PB, did you see Pellers after the Arsenal game! He was S.American centre back, who has made it plain that he had to contorl his personality to be a manager but I really doubt that many of his players would want to get on the wrong side of him. And for the umpteenth time, it might be worth mentioning that he was ruthless with Riquelme at Villarreal.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Its the quiet ones......

Fits Pellegrini to a tea imo,he has a presence,an authority - i'm certain he takes no shit.

As said,his younger days are a testament to such.