Match of the Day - 2014/15

[BigJoe#1]

The fact people are outraged about that post is exactly what's wrong with English football. Flair players aren't rewarded or protected enough even if they're honest. Posting an isolated borderline incident does nothing to discredit my opinion.

Players like Hazard & our own Kun are repeatedly kicked all over the pitch because defenders can't stop them. More times than not they'll stay on they're feet.

Ronaldo, Robben, Young, Neymar are players I'd classify as divers.

Hazard is about 5'7 and physically weak. He's not fucking Yaya ffs, it won't take much to bring him down at the pace he plays at.

Hazard is not so weak that a breeze puts him on the floor. I don't remember him diving yesterday, but we have seen him execute some pretty pathetic dives in the past. What convinces me that Mourinho encourages diving is the sight of Chelsea players who are most certainly not physically weak collapsing as though they've suffered career ending injuries because repeated, enlarged, slow-motion replays may suggest that "there was some contact". Examples are the Ivanovic incident against WHU after minimal contact, of the kind my 3 month old grandson could shake off! But we all now that Mourinho sees the laws of the game as weapons to exploit to Chelsea's benefit, as in the case of his ludicrous claims that Chelsea should have had a penalty for handball yesterday. Every team has, or has had its divers. City have had Adam Johnson who was not exactl a stranger to the odd dive, and Balotelli resorted to the odd face first collapse. In the present team Jovetic isn't averse. Rumour has it that even OT is home to some pretty accomplished exponents, but even the theatre of dreams isn't the most effect school for scoundrels these days. I wouldn't obviously argue that Steve Gerrard shows iron determination to "stay on his feet", but that has nothing to do with diving. The most obvious and consistent divers as a team, these days, are Chelsea and they spread the responsibility around. And, of course, the one player who never even thinks about diving is Sergio Aguero - the player who trusts to his own ability to win the PL rather than go down for a penalty to win it for them.

I think it's fair to say we had the King of the Divers back in the day.... Franny Lee was legend for it.

 

[The Future's Blue]

The fact people are outraged about that post is exactly what's wrong with English football. Flair players aren't rewarded or protected enough even if they're honest. Posting an isolated borderline incident does nothing to discredit my opinion.

Players like Hazard & our own Kun are repeatedly kicked all over the pitch because defenders can't stop them. More times than not they'll stay on they're feet.

Ronaldo, Robben, Young, Neymar are players I'd classify as divers.

Hazard is about 5'7 and physically weak. He's not fucking Yaya ffs, it won't take much to bring him down at the pace he plays at.

Hazard is not so weak that a breeze puts him on the floor. I don't remember him diving yesterday, but we have seen him execute some pretty pathetic dives in the past. What convinces me that Mourinho encourages diving is the sight of Chelsea players who are most certainly not physically weak collapsing as though they've suffered career ending injuries because repeated, enlarged, slow-motion replays may suggest that "there was some contact". Examples are the Ivanovic incident against WHU after minimal contact, of the kind my 3 month old grandson could shake off! But we all now that Mourinho sees the laws of the game as weapons to exploit to Chelsea's benefit, as in the case of his ludicrous claims that Chelsea should have had a penalty for handball yesterday. Every team has, or has had its divers. City have had Adam Johnson who was not exactl a stranger to the odd dive, and Balotelli resorted to the odd face first collapse. In the present team Jovetic isn't averse. Rumour has it that even OT is home to some pretty accomplished exponents, but even the theatre of dreams isn't the most effect school for scoundrels these days. I wouldn't obviously argue that Steve Gerard shows iron determination to "stay on his feet", but that has nothing to do with diving. The most obvious and consistent divers as a team, these days, are Chelsea and they spread the responsibility around. And, of course, the one player who never even thinks about diving is Sergio Aguero - the player who trusts to his own ability to win the PL rather than go down for a penalty to win it for them.

I think it's fair to say we had the King of the Divers back in the day.... Franny Lee was legend for it.

I think it's also fair to say that we are not in that position anymore and that if a player does dive, he's called out for it by the fans. Jovetic did have a couple but that seems to have been beaten out of him, hopefully by MP.

For Chelsea it's part of their game, for us it's something we will not tolerate. There is a difference.

 

[citytilllidie]

Cahill assault on Kane. Did that even get a mention on MOTD? Can't remember it being discussed by Lineker et al?

 

[BlueRockape]

Hazard is not so weak that a breeze puts him on the floor. I don't remember him diving yesterday, but we have seen him execute some pretty pathetic dives in the past. What convinces me that Mourinho encourages diving is the sight of Chelsea players who are most certainly not physically weak collapsing as though they've suffered career ending injuries because repeated, enlarged, slow-motion replays may suggest that "there was some contact". Examples are the Ivanovic incident against WHU after minimal contact, of the kind my 3 month old grandson could shake off! But we all now that Mourinho sees the laws of the game as weapons to exploit to Chelsea's benefit, as in the case of his ludicrous claims that Chelsea should have had a penalty for handball yesterday. Every team has, or has had its divers. City have had Adam Johnson who was not exactl a stranger to the odd dive, and Balotelli resorted to the odd face first collapse. In the present team Jovetic isn't averse. Rumour has it that even OT is home to some pretty accomplished exponents, but even the theatre of dreams isn't the most effect school for scoundrels these days. I wouldn't obviously argue that Steve Gerard shows iron determination to "stay on his feet", but that has nothing to do with diving. The most obvious and consistent divers as a team, these days, are Chelsea and they spread the responsibility around. And, of course, the one player who never even thinks about diving is Sergio Aguero - the player who trusts to his own ability to win the PL rather than go down for a penalty to win it for them.

I think it's fair to say we had the King of the Divers back in the day.... Franny Lee was legend for it.

I think it's also fair to say that we are not in that position anymore and that if a player does dive, he's called out for it by the fans. Jovetic did have a couple but that seems to have been beaten out of him, hopefully by MP.

For Chelsea it's part of their game, for us it's something we will not tolerate. There is a difference.

This is why I am convinced they practice this in training condoned by the twat or it would have been stopped by any decent man by now

 

[mosssideblue]

Hazard is not so weak that a breeze puts him on the floor. I don't remember him diving yesterday, but we have seen him execute some pretty pathetic dives in the past. What convinces me that Mourinho encourages diving is the sight of Chelsea players who are most certainly not physically weak collapsing as though they've suffered career ending injuries because repeated, enlarged, slow-motion replays may suggest that "there was some contact". Examples are the Ivanovic incident against WHU after minimal contact, of the kind my 3 month old grandson could shake off! But we all now that Mourinho sees the laws of the game as weapons to exploit to Chelsea's benefit, as in the case of his ludicrous claims that Chelsea should have had a penalty for handball yesterday. Every team has, or has had its divers. City have had Adam Johnson who was not exactl a stranger to the odd dive, and Balotelli resorted to the odd face first collapse. In the present team Jovetic isn't averse. Rumour has it that even OT is home to some pretty accomplished exponents, but even the theatre of dreams isn't the most effect school for scoundrels these days. I wouldn't obviously argue that Steve Gerard shows iron determination to "stay on his feet", but that has nothing to do with diving. The most obvious and consistent divers as a team, these days, are Chelsea and they spread the responsibility around. And, of course, the one player who never even thinks about diving is Sergio Aguero - the player who trusts to his own ability to win the PL rather than go down for a penalty to win it for them.

I think it's fair to say we had the King of the Divers back in the day.... Franny Lee was legend for it.

I think it's also fair to say that we are not in that position anymore and that if a player does dive, he's called out for it by the fans. Jovetic did have a couple but that seems to have been beaten out of him, hopefully by MP.

For Chelsea it's part of their game, for us it's something we will not tolerate. There is a difference.

Absolutely spot on, on all points

 

[Paladin]

Just to change topic slightly, why is it that when a player gets the ball kicked in his face at some speed, he doesn't bat an eyelid, other to point out that the ball hit him there, and not on his arm? Yet if that contact had been from a slowly moving hand or head, the same player would react as though he had received one of Ricky Hatton's best, he would hit the canvas holding the painful area and need two minute's treatment to prevent the effects of concussion.

 

[jimharri]

Just to change topic slightly, why is it that when a player gets the ball kicked in his face at some speed, he doesn't bat an eyelid, other to point out that the ball hit him there, and not on his arm? Yet if that contact had been from a slowly moving hand or head, the same player would react as though he had received one of Ricky Hatton's best, he would hit the canvas holding the painful area and need two minute's treatment to prevent the effects of concussion.

Simple. In the first scenario, acting the mardarse won't get an opponent sent off. In the second, it might. Sad, but true.

 

[Gordyola]

The fact people are outraged about that post is exactly what's wrong with English football. Flair players aren't rewarded or protected enough even if they're honest. Posting an isolated borderline incident does nothing to discredit my opinion.

Players like Hazard & our own Kun are repeatedly kicked all over the pitch because defenders can't stop them. More times than not they'll stay on they're feet.

Ronaldo, Robben, Young, Neymar are players I'd classify as divers.

Hazard is about 5'7 and physically weak. He's not fucking Yaya ffs, it won't take much to bring him down at the pace he plays at.

Hazard is not so weak that a breeze puts him on the floor. I don't remember him diving yesterday, but we have seen him execute some pretty pathetic dives in the past. What convinces me that Mourinho encourages diving is the sight of Chelsea players who are most certainly not physically weak collapsing as though they've suffered career ending injuries because repeated, enlarged, slow-motion replays may suggest that "there was some contact". Examples are the Ivanovic incident against WHU after minimal contact, of the kind my 3 month old grandson could shake off! But we all now that Mourinho sees the laws of the game as weapons to exploit to Chelsea's benefit, as in the case of his ludicrous claims that Chelsea should have had a penalty for handball yesterday. Every team has, or has had its divers. City have had Adam Johnson who was not exactl a stranger to the odd dive, and Balotelli resorted to the odd face first collapse. In the present team Jovetic isn't averse. Rumour has it that even OT is home to some pretty accomplished exponents, but even the theatre of dreams isn't the most effect school for scoundrels these days. I wouldn't obviously argue that Steve Gerrard shows iron determination to "stay on his feet", but that has nothing to do with diving. The most obvious and consistent divers as a team, these days, are Chelsea and they spread the responsibility around. And, of course, the one player who never even thinks about diving is Sergio Aguero - the player who trusts to his own ability to win the PL rather than go down for a penalty to win it for them.

I think it's fair to say we had the King of the Divers back in the day.... Franny Lee was legend for it.

He got the reputation because he took the pens, he didnt dive and I bet you wouldn't accuse him to his face even now of doing so. he was booked once for demonstrating to the ref how Best had dived and he isn't an hypocrite that's for sure.

 

[BigJoe#1]

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I think it's fair to say we had the King of the Divers back in the day.... Franny Lee was legend for it.

He got the reputation because he took the pens, he didnt dive and I bet you wouldn't accuse him to his face even now of doing so. he was booked once for demonstrating to the ref how Best had dived and he isn't an hypocrite that's for sure.

I can tell you a true story, absolutely genuine.

I was at the away game v Southampton on 6th March 1973, was only 12 at the time and I was stood in with the home fans. We were along the touch line level with the 18 yard line and Lee came over towards us with the ball and was challenged from behind (fairly) and he took a huge dive. The home fans went ballistic and Franny, sprawled on the floor, looked over at them, winked (and because you was so close to the pitch at the Dell, you could hear hime quite clealy)' he said - totally jokingly "well you've got to try haven't you? I thought I was in the area", all in very good humour I hasten to add... He was without doubt a diver, and yes, I would have that conversation with him today, and I tell you what I bet he'd say today, exactly what he said then..... Anyone remember his flying heard away at spurs that punched into the net. I'm sure his motto was, "alls fair in love and war" and he would want to win at any cost.

All that said I totally agree with points made in this thread about Chelsea and about Sergio, he is probably the most genuine, honest player I have ever seen, he just does not dive.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Anyone find it surreal how the BBC can have Jermaine Jenas and Phil Neville advising us what it takes to turn a good player into a top player!

And how the hell did Michael Owen turn up commentating on the show last night? Thought he was exiled to BT.