Match of the Day - 2019/20

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richardtheref said:
He said that the penalty was re taken as Rice encroached and got to the rebound 1st. Hence it was a retake according to tubhead. The law actually states that the penalty is retaken if there is any encroachment. No mention whatsoever of who gets to the rebound 1st. In affect this law is generally overlooked by most refs as usually both sides have players encroaching. Interestingly the PL said that reviewing pens would not be included in VAR reviews yet they did????
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Are you sure that law hasn't been amended for games where VAR is involved?
 
East Level 2 said:
Are you sure that law hasn't been amended for games where VAR is involved?
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Correct. Shearer was actually right about this. Rice was penalised by VAR not because he encroached but because he gained an advantage as he was the one who played the ball after the save. VAR is not used for keepers moving off the line or encroachments that don’t result in an advantage. We were screwed in the champs league quarter final as the spuds player encroaching also played the ball after the save.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
With the monumental cocks up that VAR has made with offside, and will no doubt continue to make, I advocate 'daylight' between the attacker and the last defender. If yer can adjudge a ball not to be over the line by 11mm then day light shouldn't be a problem. It amuses me that some people think that having a shoulder in front renders a player offside. The only one I recall seeing score with their shoulder was Mario!
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Deliberately yes, I can only think of Mario. However I remember a few ‘headers’ by Vinny actually going in off his shoulder
 
Would love a conversation with Murphy and Shearer - both plumped for the Dippers for the title. In Murphy's case it’s clearly based on what he wants to happen - not sure re Shearer. All logic however says Liverpool are going with what they had last year - when they certainly got a ‘good rub of the green’ and had no serious injuries to senior players. City on the other hand lost KDB for most of the season, Mendy for large chunks plus losing Sergio and Fern for many weeks. City have brought in a couple of good signings which Liverpool haven’t. So on that basis you’d expect City to be slightly stronger this season whereas Liverpool can only really Hope to replicate last season? The reality probably is MOTD buying into the same agenda as Sky - the whole nation wants Liverpool to go one better... up and down middle England everyone is rooting for the Dipper low life’s !
 
BuryBlue1977 said:
Correct. Shearer was actually right about this. Rice was penalised by VAR not because he encroached but because he gained an advantage as he was the one who played the ball after the save. VAR is not used for keepers moving off the line or encroachments that don’t result in an advantage. We were screwed in the champs league quarter final as the spuds player encroaching also played the ball after the save.
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Just checked FIFA's website. No mention at all whatsoever of who plays the ball. Simply says if any defenders encroach and the penalty is missed it is a retake. Where did you get your info for reference?
 
richardtheref said:
Just checked FIFA's website. No mention at all whatsoever of who plays the ball. Simply says if any defenders encroach and the penalty is missed it is a retake. Where did you get your info for reference?
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p31 here - last bullet point seems fairly clear:
http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/791/171520_110319_IFAB_LoG_changes_and_clarifications.pdf

VAR Protocol
Reviewable match-changing decisions/incidents
The categories of decision/incident which may be reviewed in the event of a potential ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ are:

a. Goal/no goal
• attacking team offence in the build-up to or scoring of the goal (handball, foul, offside etc.)
• ball out of play prior to the goal
• goal/no goal decisions
• offence by goalkeeper and/or kicker at the taking of a penalty kick or encroachment by an attacker or defender who becomes directly involved in play if the penalty kick rebounds from the goalpost, crossbar or goalkeeper

There may be more details in the later files here (the link above is to the March ones)
http://theifab.com/document/for-football-bodies
 
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