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Match of the Day
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Boo or Boo-urns
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Funny how the BBC were happy for Linacre and co. to host a documentary on human rights in Qatar instead of showing the live opening ceremony of the 2022 World Cup, and now he's been sacked by the BBC for his political views.
SamBlue
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I have no issue with his political views and how he is expressing them. My problem with him is purely on footballing level, because I see him as one of the main agents of dumbing down football punditry and introducing meaningless blandness to it. Compare MOTD with MOTD2 with Chappers at it helm, we are talking different universes here.
And his lead at FA cup final was the proof to everything what is wrong with football TV personalities, CIty or no City, but the very attitude to that grave mistake by officials and almost intentional effort not to talk about it and to be ready to take sides and tell us all who it was. Even Keane and Wright over on ITV were disgusted about it and were putting the whole result in that context. No those qualms for people's Gary, he was just conduit for what most fans wanted to see.....so I say, from purely footballing terms they were 15 years too late to kick him out.
And his lead at FA cup final was the proof to everything what is wrong with football TV personalities, CIty or no City, but the very attitude to that grave mistake by officials and almost intentional effort not to talk about it and to be ready to take sides and tell us all who it was. Even Keane and Wright over on ITV were disgusted about it and were putting the whole result in that context. No those qualms for people's Gary, he was just conduit for what most fans wanted to see.....so I say, from purely footballing terms they were 15 years too late to kick him out.
ChicagoBlue
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We have maneuvered the world into a place where if you speak out against Israel, in almost any way and in any forum, the “anti-Semite” label is instantly attached. It’s a neat trick and corners many people, in many walks of life, into silence.
I was outspoken in favor of Israel’s right to defend itself from any and all attacks. This is not what I had in mind.
I spoke out months and months ago that they were not engaged in genocide, because I didn’t think we were there yet.
Times change. Starvation should not be a tool of war, especially against non-combatants. Speaking out against such things should not be considered anti-Semitic, only anti-genocide, anti-starvation, pro-child, pro-human.
The “war,” such that it existed in a state vs proxy state terrorist organization manner, is effectively over. One side has killed the leadership of the other and effectively silenced their weapons. Sadly, they have chosen not to release all the hostages they kidnapped, dead or alive, and this allows a pretense for continued fighting.
I have said from the outset that this should be a minimum for the curtailment of hostilities. But, it seems larger goals are now driving the narrative, and free people should be allowed to speak out about those policies and politics without fear of reprisal or losing their job.
Lineker felt he had a fairly unique bully pulpit from which to speak and he used it. They say freedom isn’t free, because it often comes at great cost. In this instance, he appears to have accepted the cost and I, for one, will not vilify him for using his voice in an attempt to protect innocents and make wider historical and political corollaries. In fact, I applaud him for it.
The BBC, regardless of its journalistic excellence, is, at its heart, an arm of the politics of Britain. As such, it will occasionally have its thumb on the scale of justice. Lineker and the BBC were clearly on different sides of that scale, but the thumb is on the hand that feeds, and he has thus been shown the door.
I have a feeling both sides can live with the outcome and both sides will feel vindication. However, the one thing that concerns me most about this whole thing is how many people on here are championing the right and duty of the company to fire an employee for speaking out on a matter of morality and compassion.
Yes, such speech may have been “extracurricular” as far as his T&C, but I prefer to admire the man for being willing to speak out for those whose platform never really existed…or has been blown to smithereens…and having the willingness to put so much on the line to do it.
We are often very, very slow to speak out against power for the fear such power projects. However, that power is often extraordinarily quick to respond, often with devastating, pre-planned attacks. It can be chilling in both its swiftness and effectiveness, which is all part of the design of the response, in order to deter others.
Thankfully, there are still some ready to pay the price while the rest stay silent, out of fear and economic necessity.
Freedom? It’s your choice, as are your views on his ability to host MOTD, and whether the new format is better. After all, the BBC would rather have you discussing that than Lineker and your views on his firing.
I was outspoken in favor of Israel’s right to defend itself from any and all attacks. This is not what I had in mind.
I spoke out months and months ago that they were not engaged in genocide, because I didn’t think we were there yet.
Times change. Starvation should not be a tool of war, especially against non-combatants. Speaking out against such things should not be considered anti-Semitic, only anti-genocide, anti-starvation, pro-child, pro-human.
The “war,” such that it existed in a state vs proxy state terrorist organization manner, is effectively over. One side has killed the leadership of the other and effectively silenced their weapons. Sadly, they have chosen not to release all the hostages they kidnapped, dead or alive, and this allows a pretense for continued fighting.
I have said from the outset that this should be a minimum for the curtailment of hostilities. But, it seems larger goals are now driving the narrative, and free people should be allowed to speak out about those policies and politics without fear of reprisal or losing their job.
Lineker felt he had a fairly unique bully pulpit from which to speak and he used it. They say freedom isn’t free, because it often comes at great cost. In this instance, he appears to have accepted the cost and I, for one, will not vilify him for using his voice in an attempt to protect innocents and make wider historical and political corollaries. In fact, I applaud him for it.
The BBC, regardless of its journalistic excellence, is, at its heart, an arm of the politics of Britain. As such, it will occasionally have its thumb on the scale of justice. Lineker and the BBC were clearly on different sides of that scale, but the thumb is on the hand that feeds, and he has thus been shown the door.
I have a feeling both sides can live with the outcome and both sides will feel vindication. However, the one thing that concerns me most about this whole thing is how many people on here are championing the right and duty of the company to fire an employee for speaking out on a matter of morality and compassion.
Yes, such speech may have been “extracurricular” as far as his T&C, but I prefer to admire the man for being willing to speak out for those whose platform never really existed…or has been blown to smithereens…and having the willingness to put so much on the line to do it.
We are often very, very slow to speak out against power for the fear such power projects. However, that power is often extraordinarily quick to respond, often with devastating, pre-planned attacks. It can be chilling in both its swiftness and effectiveness, which is all part of the design of the response, in order to deter others.
Thankfully, there are still some ready to pay the price while the rest stay silent, out of fear and economic necessity.
Freedom? It’s your choice, as are your views on his ability to host MOTD, and whether the new format is better. After all, the BBC would rather have you discussing that than Lineker and your views on his firing.
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I think he's done with it. Has a podcast to keep him busy and he's mentioned his desire now is to follow Leicester home and away with his sons. Sounds like a great plan.
Although I agree a summer tournament would be the most likely to see a return. We'll see.
One of his sons is a United fan.
super_city_si
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ok well he wont be going with that one. He has about 10 of the fuckers and most of them support LeicesterOne of his sons is a United fan.
He’s a mercenary pops up everywhere on streaming channels all this fucking crap farewells and having arse holes like wright shearer and Richards doing personal recorded messaging is pathetic
His latest freelance money grabbing piece is trying to act the typical fan view of ignorance on our 115 charges asking dumb arse questions on why Everton were punished so quickly for their admission of a breach of one rule but why can City get away with spinning out 115 unproven unfounded charges, adopting some kind of dumb arse persona as he poses his carefully scripted questions
Complete twat and I’m amazed how many of us are praising his tenure at the BBC
His latest freelance money grabbing piece is trying to act the typical fan view of ignorance on our 115 charges asking dumb arse questions on why Everton were punished so quickly for their admission of a breach of one rule but why can City get away with spinning out 115 unproven unfounded charges, adopting some kind of dumb arse persona as he poses his carefully scripted questions
Complete twat and I’m amazed how many of us are praising his tenure at the BBC
Blue Til Death
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Nowt funny about it, it’s just the rank hypocrisy of the BBC and indeed , the virtue signalling **** stain that is Lineker..Funny how the BBC were happy for Linacre and co. to host a documentary on human rights in Qatar instead of showing the live opening ceremony of the 2022 World Cup, and now he's been sacked by the BBC for his political views.
LangleyBlue1970
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A mercenary doesn’t stick to one main job for a quarter of a century. Someone in his position is more than entitled to do side gigs.He’s a mercenary pops up everywhere on streaming channels all this fucking crap farewells and having arse holes like wright shearer and Richards doing personal recorded messaging is pathetic
His latest freelance money grabbing piece is trying to act the typical fan view of ignorance on our 115 charges asking dumb arse questions on why Everton were punished so quickly for their admission of a breach of one rule but why can City get away with spinning out 115 unproven unfounded charges, adopting some kind of dumb arse persona as he poses his carefully scripted questions
Complete twat and I’m amazed how many of us are praising his tenure at the BBC
A mercenary sticks around as long as possible if the money is rightA mercenary doesn’t stick to one main job for a quarter of a century. Someone in his position is more than entitled to do side gigs.
trueblue1972
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1.3m a year helpsA mercenary doesn’t stick to one main job for a quarter of a century. Someone in his position is more than entitled to do side gigs.
LangleyBlue1970
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Could post replies to that which woukd infuriate many.A mercenary sticks around as long as possible if the money is right
r.soleofsalford
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I like Gary, I would be hard pressed to pick someone better for motd.
Same here but who gives a shit about the likes of Lineker Richards Wright and Shearer I’m quite comfortable slagging these off especially Richards who May work for the BBC for the next 25 years himself as long as the pay is right and he quite obviously is prepared to sell his soul and any principals he may well have once possessedCould post replies to that which woukd infuriate many.
LangleyBlue1970
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So not a mercenary then, just someone earning from a trade that is awashed with moneySame here but who gives a shit about the likes of Lineker Richards Wright and Shearer I’m quite comfortable slagging these off especially Richards who May work for the BBC for the next 25 years himself as long as the pay is right and he quite obviously is prepared to sell his soul and any principals he may well have once possessed
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It really is time to sack it off now. Just show the highlights.
meltonblue
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Had been a good pundit over the years but should not be sharing political views.
The nazi comment was atrocious.
It really wasn’t.
It’s right he stepped down for the recent incident though.
It really wasn’t.
That’s your view, but I think comparing modern day politicians to nazis is inflammatory.
Just checking that I am ok to have a different opinion or are you going to try to lecture me?
meltonblue
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That’s your view, but I think comparing modern day politicians to nazis is inflammatory.
Just checking that I am ok to have a different opinion or are you going to try to lecture me?
Course you can have a different opinion, I’d argue against you as personally I think using language reminiscent of the nazi party is far more inflammatory than pointing out someone’s doing it.
There’s no lecture about it, I’d possibly lecture you about the point of a forum though ;)
Course you can have a different opinion, I’d argue against you as personally I think using language reminiscent of the nazi party is far more inflammatory than pointing out someone’s doing it.
There’s no lecture about it, I’d possibly lecture you about the point of a forum though ;)
Fair enough Melton.